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Well, it certainly is a matter of great concern. I NEVER stated that this obsession with how often a wife has sex (if at all) "exposes" ANYTHING negative in the heart of those that must embrace the RCC Dogma. Once again, I KNOW (firmly) that Catholics love, adore, revere and hold Our Lady in highest esteem - as much as I and many Protestants do. I firmly believe that and have said so numerous times in this thread. I KNOW - to the very bottom of my heart - that my Catholic brothers and sisters mean Her no harm, they would suffer death rather than hurt Her - I know that. INTENT is not the issue. Of me or any in this thread.
The issue is this: Is it distinctively LOVING or is it potentially offensive to speak of how often a wife has sex (if at all)? Now, I realize that in the EO, this is not dogma - thus much of my concern doesn't apply to the EO. I also realize that the EO has an equally strong tradition that Mary was never a wife (at least to Joseph) - so again, my concern may not be to the EO. But in the West, it IS accepted that Mary and Joseph where "husband and wife" albeit because of this dogma, the marriage was never consummated. In the west, we do speak of The Holy Family.
Here's my point (yet again). I do NOT regard this RCC DOGMA to be wrong or unbiblical or heresy . I KNOW it is NEVER meant to be rude or offensive or improper but is MEANT to be loving and affirming. But, while the INTENT is above reproof, is the SPEECH (what is said) distinctively loving? THAT is hte issue Catholic Staffer WarriorAngel raised and asked us to discuss - not how it is INTENDED but if the SPEECH itself is distinctively loving. Sadly, a number of CAtholics do not want this discussed vis-a-vis the loudest of all speech: RCC Dogma re: The Perpetual Virginity of Mary. MY position is that there is at least the POTENTIAL for a wife to be offended or hurt when a denomination regards it as DOGMA of the highest importance this particular detail of her marital relationship with her husband. This COULD offend Our Lady, Her Son, and those that love them (that includes me). I didn't say it SHOULD or DOES, but that it COULD. This seems to have caused MUCH disturbance for Catholics.
Catholics like to use obtuse euphamisms here. I have twice used the accurate, precise, correct, biological terms as used in school textbooks. Adult words for adult things, rather than these "churchy" euphamisms that blurr the issue. This offended them - but in so doing, missed the point. OFFENSE! Again, that's the issue: is this obsession the level of Dogma - this very, very loud speech - is it distictively LOVING or could it even be offensive and rude (even if true)?
Here's MY position: I don't have one. I don't tell anyone how often my earthly mother has sex (um, I don't know, lol, but wouldn't tell you if I did) and I don't get into THAT with my heavenly Mother. I don't tell you what to do (in spite of my grave concern that my Mother may be greatly hurt by it), but I want you to understand why I don't. It has EVERYTHING to do with love and respect for Her. And my heart here is shared by MANY Protestants.
Thank you.
Pax
- Josiah
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