Spain to Teach Children From Age 10 to Accept Homosexuality

[crazyfingers]

I'm sorry, I was referring to it in context of the rest of the article. The article explains how the Spanish government has been "sticking it's tongue out" if you will at the Catholic church and the Pope. It seems that perhaps this bill is aimed at being anti-faith.

I suppose I didn't make that clear to anyone who didn't read the article.

Rachel

I read the article.

Perhaps the Roman Catholic Chruch should not presume to have a say in Spanish Civil Law. The RCC does have a habit of presuming to use the government to impose it's dogma onto everyone using civil law. They are trying to do that in Massachusetts and it certainly appears that they are trying to do that in Spain.

 

[Robinsegg]

Are you saying that the RCC should not have the same freedom of speech everyone else does? Or that individuals in the RCC shouldn't have any control or say in how they're governed?

I don't think that's what you're trying to say, but am not sure what you are saying.

Rachel

 

[crazyfingers]

Are you saying that the RCC should not have the same freedom of speech everyone else does? Or that individuals in the RCC shouldn't have any control or say in how they're governed?

I don't think that's what you're trying to say, but am not sure what you are saying.

Rachel

I am saying that it should not expect to see its dogma to be written into secular law and it should not presume to impose its dogma onto others under secular law. That is what it attempts to do all the time.

Take for example Massachusetts where it is working to impose its definition of marriage onto the constitution of Massachusetts.

It's none of the RCC's business what the secular law says so long as secular law does not impose itself on the RCC, which it does not.

 

[kopilo]

Now Spain has started something other countries could learn from.

 

[Robinsegg]

I am saying that it should not expect to see its dogma to be written into secular law and it should not presume to impose its dogma onto others under secular law. That is what it attempts to do all the time.

I can understand your position on that issue. However, I don't think the official position of a country needs to necessarily be to insult/taunt the Pope or any religious leader (or leader of a group of atheists, etc.).

Rachel

 

[levi501]

I love how people blame homosexuals for disease/promiscuity and then deny them access to an institution(marriage) that would only encourage fidelity and committment.
So the true problem is with those that object to this lifestyle creating a culture that minimalizes the committments homosexuals try to make.

Ironic yet pathetic.

 

[NPH]

And in further news, the US House of Representatives defeated the proposed FMA that was also defeated in the Senate recently. Why they even bothered to vote since it was already defeated in the senate, further wasting time? Oh, gotta get those congressman on record about whether they support teh ebil gays!

 

[NPH]

I can understand your position on that issue. However, I don't think the official position of a country needs to necessarily be to insult/taunt the Pope or any religious leader (or leader of a group of atheists, etc.).

Rachel

I don't think the Spanish government gives a great googledy-moogledy about what the pope thinks and whether he is insulted by what they do. Most of Europe is probably long past tired of religions trying to tell governments what to do after those silly crusades and inquisitions and such

 

[crazyfingers]

I can understand your position on that issue. However, I don't think the official position of a country needs to necessarily be to insult/taunt the Pope or any religious leader (or leader of a group of atheists, etc.).

Rachel

I suggest that that story provided in the OP is utterly biased. I would not come to that conclusion based only on the story in the OP.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

As bad as humans are about judging, this can be a good thing. However, we shouldn't accept someone based on who they sleep with; that should not even be a factor. We should accept someone because they are a fellow human being in need of friendship and who knows, maybe the love of Christ in their life.

 

[MoonlessNight]

I don't think the Spanish government gives a great googledy-moogledy about what the pope thinks and whether he is insulted by what they do. Most of Europe is probably long past tired of religions trying to tell governments what to do after those silly crusades and inquisitions and such

Catholicism has had a much greater influence on Spain than it has on many countries in Europe. Spain is more along the lines of Ireland or Italy, though in the last decade there has been a very strong trend of secular liberalism in the country as well. The point is that Spain is still mainly composed of Catholics and many of them are quite conservative. Provoking the Vatican is, in a roundabout way, much the same as provoking a significant number of Spaniards.

 

[GhostDad]

Refreshing.

 

[quatona]

MADRID, Spain, July 17, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com)

. . . The socialist government revealed plans last week to include teaching about the homosexual lifestyle in the schools, emphasizing the normalcy of homosexual relationships. The general secretary for education, Alejandro Tiana, said the move was necessary because “children need to learn there are various types of families.” . . .


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/jul/06071701.html

I think this is a good decision.

 

[Voegelin]

The socialist government revealed plans last week to include teaching about the homosexual lifestyle in the schools. . .

Remember kids, there is no "gay agenda".

An agenda is when a valedictorian mentions Jesus Christ in a graduation speech .

 

[flicka]

The socialist government revealed plans last week to include teaching about the homosexual lifestyle in the schools. . .

Remember kids, there is no "gay agenda".

Teaching kids about different kinds of people has never been considered an 'agenda' until now. I don't think they are going to be teaching anything other than that homosexuals exisit (they do), are a part of society (they are) and are not sick, evil or immoral (they aren't) and are most like parents of some of the kids in school (no doubt).

An agenda is when a valedictorian mentions Jesus Christ in a graduation speech .

Actually, that was an agenda since it didn't just 'mention' Jesus Christ (nobody would have minded that) it was a personal testimony with an intent to preach to a captive audience made up of all faiths who came to see their children graduate.

Buuuuuuut I guess none of that matters if you like screaming "Persecution!!".

 

[crazyfingers]

An agenda is when a valedictorian mentions Jesus Christ in a graduation speech .

This is a misrepresentation. Read the original speech again. It's preaching conversion.

 

[Robinsegg]

When does a testimony (this is what happened in my life) become preaching? I haven't read the entire speech involved. I do know (from an interview with her) that it at least started with her testimony of what influenced her and made her who she is and caused her to work hard, etc. I don't know how far it went. But my original question still stands:

When does a personal testimony become preaching?

Rachel

 

[Lokisdottir]

Well, from what I gather it involves a lot of dating people of the same sex, going to bathhouses, anonymous sex, the park scene, crystal meth, and promiscuity.

Sorry, KC, but you're wrong. Since you insist on citing a dishonest study from the 70s which has been refuted over and over (see post #15 in this thread) to support your idea of what the gay lifestyle is like, I can only assume you haven't met very many gay people.

As the saying goes, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

 

[steen]

How is it erroneous, other than it conflicts with your dogma? Saying "everyone here knows it's wrong" is an Appeal to the Popular. Back it up, dude, instead making tired and erroneous logical fallacies.

Actually, YOU made the claim, so YOU need to back it up.

 

[steen]

Are you saying that the RCC should not have the same freedom of speech everyone else does? Or that individuals in the RCC shouldn't have any control or say in how they're governed?

I don't think that's what you're trying to say, but am not sure what you are saying.

Rachel

Spain does not have the same Constitution as the US does. So your appeal to legal rights is a bit questionable.