Spaceships in the Bible

[JHM]

1e) The spaceship is but one of several which appear in the scriptures. Two appear in the coded message about the fallen angels, and one in the book of Exodus, which appears again in Second Samuel, chapter 22, (which is duplicated in Psalm 18) and one appears in the book of Revelation. During the flight of the Israelites from Egypt they were accompanied and led by "God".


See Exodus 13 : 21 (Jerusalem Bible)
Exodus 13 21 : Yahweh went before them, by day in the form of a pillar of cloud to show them the way, and by night in the form of a pillar of fire to give them light: thus they could continue their march by day and by night.

See Exodus 13 : 22 (Darby Translation)
Exodus 13 : 22 : The pillar of the cloud did not remove [from] before the people by day, nor the pillar of fire by night.

See Deuteronomy 33 : 26 (Darby Translation)
Deuteronomy 33 : 26 : There is none like unto the God of Jeshurun, Who rideth upon the heavens to thy help, And in his majesty upon the clouds.

Note: See also the description of the descent of "The Lord" upon Mount Sinai found in Exodus. chapter 19 : 16 - 20 (Revised Standard Version); and chapter 24 : 9 -11 (Jerusalem Bible)


Exodus 19 : 16 -20 : On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast, so that all the people who were in the camp trembled. Then Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet God; and they took their stand at the foot of the mountain. And Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire; and the smoke of it went up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain quaked greatly. And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke, and God answered him in thunder. And the Lord came down upon Mount Sinai, to the top of the mountain; And the Lord called Moses to the top of the mountain, and Moses went up.

Exodus 24 : 9-11 : Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy elders of Israel. They saw the God of Israel beneath whose feet there was, it seemed, a sapphire pavement pure as the heavens themselves. He laid no hand on these notables of the sons of Israel: they gazed on God. They ate and they drank.


The description of "God" descending upon Mount Sinai is quite consistent with the landing of a spaceship upon the mountaintop. I will not hazard a guess as to why God chose a mountaintop to land on; but having made that choice, it is again consistent to hover for some length of time, just off the ground, and allow the rocket blast to melt the rock beneath, then once having achieved that, fly somewhat higher for a while so as to allow the melted rock to solidify, prior to landing on a perfectly smooth and level pavement; thereby eliminating the risk of an uneven or soft surface causing the ship to upset. Be it noted that the ship is clearly interstellar in origin; and therefore cannot be powered by chemical rockets. It is most likely antimatter powered, which allows it to hover for prolonged lengths of time, which chemical rockets are incapable of.


Further description of the actions of the "God" which accompanied and assisted the Israelites during the flight from Egypt and the crossing of the Red Sea can be found in Exodus 14.


Exodus 14 : 9-10 (Jerusalem Bible)
So the Egyptians gave chase and came up with them where they lay encamped by the sea---all the horses, the chariots of Pharaoh, his horsemen, his army—near Pi-hahiroth, facing Baal-zephon. And as Pharaoh approached, the sons of Israel looked round—and there were the Egyptians in pursuit of them! The sons of Israel were terrified and cried out to Yahweh.


Exodus 14 : 13-14 (Jerusalem Bible)
Moses answered the people, ‘Have no fear! Stand firm, and you will see what Yahweh will do to save you today: the Egyptians you see today, you will never see again. Yahweh will do the fighting for you: you have only to keep still.’


Note: That whereas in Exodus 13 : 21 the pillars of cloud, (by day), and fire, (by night), are referred to as "Yahweh", in the following verses, either the pillar of cloud is referred to as "the angel of Yahweh", or more likely one of the ships crew was accompanying the Israelites on the ground. In both cases, I believe it is correct to interpret the "pillar" as the exhaust contrail of a spaceship.


Exodus 14 19-20 : Jerusalem Bible.
Then the angel of Yahweh, who marched at the front of the army of Israel, changed station and moved to their rear. The pillar of cloud changed station from the front to the rear of them, and remained there. It came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel. The cloud was dark, and the night passed [sup]b[/sup] without the armies drawing any closer the whole night long.



Note (b) :b. ‘the night passed’ Greek. The Hebrew has ‘there was a cloud and darkness: and it lit up the night’. Symmachus ‘the cloud was dark on one side and bright on the other’. In Jos.24:7 Yahweh sets a thick mist between Israelites and Egyptians. Our translation is conjectural.

Note: I believe the Hebrew is correct in this case because what it describes is consistent with a spaceship hovering at low altitude, – smoke and fire.

What followed is best described in 2 Samuel 22, which also appears as Psalm 18, one of the paeans of praise for God composed by David. Note that David is not referring to something which happened to him personally, but rather to something which happened to the Israelites, whom David personifies as himself.

2 Samuel 22 : 2-20 (Revised standard Version)
He said, "The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer, my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge, my savior; thou savest me from violence. I call upon the Lord, who is worthy to be praised, and I am saved from my enemies." "For the waves of death encompassed me, the torrents of perdition assailed me; the cords of Sheol entangled me, the snares of death confronted me." "In my distress I called upon the Lord; to my God I called. From his temple he heard my voice, and my cry came to his ears." "Then the earth reeled and rocked; the foundations of the heavens trembled and quaked because he was angry. Smoke went up from his nostrils, and devouring fire from his mouth; glowing coals flamed forth from him. He bowed the heavens, and came down; thick darkness was under his feet. He rode on a cherub and flew; he was seen upon the wings of the wind. He made darkness around him his canopy, thick clouds, a gathering of water. Out of the brightness before him coals of fire flamed forth. The Lord thundered from heaven. And the Most High uttered his voice. And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning and routed them. Then the channels of the sea were seen, the foundations of the world were laid bare, at the rebuke of the Lord, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils. He reached from on high, he took me, he drew me out of many waters. He delivered me from my strong enemy, from those who hated me; for they were too mighty for me. They came upon me in the day of my calamity; but the Lord was my stay. He brought me forth into a broad place; he delivered me because he delighted in me."

Note: Thunder, fire, and smoke are all consistent with a spaceship. The earth reeling and rocking, like the whole of Mount Sinai quaking violently, is consistent with a very big spaceship. Similarly the force of the rocket blast laying bare the sea floor is consistent with a very big spaceship. The number of the Israelites encamped by the Red Sea exceeded six hundred thousand; and yet if we are to believe 2 Samuel 22, the "Lord" airlifted them out of the Red Sea; and be it noted that the Hebrews still celebrate "the feast of booths". They must have had very cramped quarters. As for the glowing coals which flamed forth "from him", this description is perfectly consistent with the description of incoming machine cannon fire as described by bomber pilots on the receiving end. This giant spaceship is also described in Revelations.

See Leviticus 23 : 42-43 (Darby Translation)
Leviticus 23 : 42-43 : In booths shall ye dwell seven days; all born in Israel shall dwell in booths; that your generations may know that I caused the children of Israel to dwell to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am Jehovah your God.

 

[wayseer]

Are you serious?

 

[Mcrfan343]

What is this I don't even........

 

[Willy21]

Ok that is the first time i heard of space ships in the Bible???

Bill

 

[Cotjones]

What is this I don't even........

 

[abysmul]

Someone is watching way too much Ancient Aliens on TV.

 

[JohnnyIMdoc]

I believe an unbiased look at the evidence and reliable testimonies will prove the existence of flying ships with beings in them. I personally always laughed at anyone who mentioned ufos/aliens and wrote them off as quacks or someone desperate for attention. But after actually listening to those making these claims, I now believe 100%.

You'll also find a lot of very compelling theories that these things aren't aliens from another planet, but fallen angels who are here to deceive, manipulate, crossbreed, and often torture humans.

These 'things' always end up promoting a type of religion/spirituality, and it always makes Jesus Christ out to be simply a great man, spiritual teacher, ascended master, or even an alien.; never the Son of God who died for our sins.

If you're interested in proving or disproving it in your own mind, I'd suggest starting with a vid online called the Disclosure Project. They are NOT Christians and their conclusions as to the intent of these beings is very different than mine and that of most other Christians.

You may begin to see a vast array of agreement between the Word of God and what has been happening in the air above our heads. Chuck Missler also has a short series of teachings on this subject as well as many other Christian teachers.

God bless.

 

[JohnnyIMdoc]

BTW...just to clarify.

I'm not in agreement at all with the original post about our God using a spaceship for travel... but I do accept the reality of ufos and creatures not of mankind.

 

[Cotjones]

It is interesting that these UFO's always show up in billy bob's backyard and not in the parking lot of MIT.

We know human's will believe in crap just because no one can prove otherwise, particular if they benefit from the belief. So if aliens don't fall under this category what does, and how would you know the difference.

My observation is that most of these claims "IRONICALLY" can't be tested. Audacious claims like this every once in a while CAN be tested and when this is the case 100% of the time there is nothing fishy going on such as aliens or supernatural things such as ghosts, and there is a completely logical explanation.

Now I do believe in God, so I have to believe he is purposefully not acting supernaturally today. If that is the case, why would he allow demons and such to physically reveal themselves through influence in the natural universe? Again, while these things may have happened at one time, I don't believe they do today. That's another confusing truth that many don't want to believe. That's when imagination and conspiracy theory come in.

Don't be this guy:

 

[Prayer Circle]

JHM.

You might enjoy this link. UFO's in ancient art.

I highly recommend you seek out the book, it's quite old but worth the search, "The Spaceships of Ezekiel" by Josef F. Blumrich.
You may find it through your local public library. If they don't have it in their private collection, ask if they have an "Inter~Library Loan" program. A program wherein local library's enter into agreement with other select libraries about the country and share their collections one to the other.

Some criticism arises in discussing such a topic because people who have never seen ancient art depicting UFO's, (unidentified/unconventional flying objects), imagine one is speaking of something akin to those images afforded by Hollywood movies. Like, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, "ET", etc...

However, I think what's important to remember is at the time scriptures were written regarding flying objects, there was no such thing as air craft technology. Not even hot air balloons dotted the sky.
So the ancient people, witnessing such phenomena, would naturally describe the event in letters, scrolls, oral histories of the event etc..., in a manner that is familiar to them when witnessing what looked like modes of transport. Or, if they witnessed beings in the air, behaving in that manner like unto birds, they would then stand to describe the vision as winged men.

And those who conveyed messages unto them in the process of appearing from within a flying chariot , again called "Angels" (from the Greek "angelos" = envoy, messenger), depicted in ancient times as sexless beings bearing wings, so as to communicate perhaps flying messengers, or in a flaming chariot that ascended into the sky, as with the account related to Elijah.

And not to forget of course the Nephilim. The giants, as translated to described them in the scripture of the King James Bible. A word (giants) which is hotly contested by other sources as being false.

Or, most famously, Enoch. (Who's "book" was not considered worthy of entering the canon)

All, were relating in the context of peoples perceptions at their time, what they were witnessing that could not otherwise be explained in their primitive culture.

So, be not discouraged by the ridicule and contempt you may receive in posting this thread.

There is a great deal of history relating what is said to be, in today's terminology, unidentified or unconventional flying objects, in antiquity.
Ancient Sumerian texts, which predated Judaism, are also something you might consider researching on the matter.

 

[JohnnyIMdoc]

As I said, if you're interested in the truth, then look into it yourself and come to your own conclusions via logic, reading the Word, intelligence, and prayer.

These are not 'billy bobs" making these claims. They are USA astronauts, dozens of officers from every branch of the military, police, Presidents, Christians, doctors, airline pilots from every airline, top scientists... the most intelligent people on this planet, and from every country have admitted to seeing these things. Some did more than just see them.

The military men and women of the USA who are responsible for holding and using the launch codes inside our ICBM bunkers have admitted to this reality and claim alien ships disabled our missiles more than once. No one has a more stable, sane, and reliable disposition than these men. They get more psych analysis than even a secret service agent because they are the ones who launch our nuclear missiles, with to without permission from the govt.

As for landing at MIT, there are numerous of our countries brightest engineers/scientists who also claim they've worked on ships not from earth on behalf of our govt in secret installations trying to reproduce the technology... i.e.. Bob Lazar, etc.

There is a large amount of video evidence as well, but for every real vid there are way more fakes.

Possibly the Word of God refers to this in "..signs in the skies above..." "prince of the power of the air..."

"Study to show thyself approved" extends beyond the Word of God.
or...
just post another childish pic in an attempt to ridicule and insult those who you disagree with... I've been ridiculed for believing in Jesus Christ, so I'm no stranger to patronizing.

Aliens, UFOs, santa, bin laden, false conspiracies, true conspiracies, pixie dust, etc... none of these are a matter of salvation, so let's keep such matters in their proper place low on the ladder of importance.

God bless.

 

[JHM]

@ Cotjones : I suppose you think that the following :

Smoke went up from his nostrils,
and devouring fire from his mouth;
The Lord thundered from heaven. And the Most High uttered his voice.
Then the channels of the sea were seen, the foundations of the world were laid bare, at the rebuke of the Lord, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

Means that GOD stood there blowing smoke from his nose; and fire from his mouth; while making thundering sounds; huffing and puffing like "The Big Bad Wolf" in the story of "The Three Little Pigs" until the blast of the breath of his nostrils laid bare the seafloor.

Ah well, no law against being STUPID.

 

[JHM]

For the rest of you, here is an exerpt from the "Fallen Angels Code" that I discovered while researching all aspects of the term "Nephilim"

Witness 11: (7400 - 7499) Male sequence in ascending order, the second member of the party of four shepherds describing what he saw.

7420 remach ; from an unused root meaning, to hurl; a lance (as thrown); especially, the iron point: – buckler, javelin, lancet, spear.

7426 raman ; a primitive root; to rise (literally or figuratively): – exalt, get [oneself] up, lift up (self), mount up.

7427 romemuth ; from the active participle of 7426; exaltation: – lifting up of self. rimmon. See 7416.

7430 ramas ; a primitive root; properly, to glide swiftly, i.e. to crawl or move with short steps; by anology, to swarm: – creep, move.

7431 remes ; from 7430; areptile or any other rapidly moving animal : – that creepeth, creeping (moving) thing.

7432 Remeth ; from 7411; height; Remeth, a place in Palestine: – Remeth.

Note : This witness uses an unused root meaning "the iron point of a lance" to describe what he saw "lifting itself up", and he repeats "lifting self up", as if to emphasize how extraordinary that is, then goes on to say it was "gliding swiftly" - "a rapidly moving thing". (at) "height". Note again the usage of an "unused root" to describe what the witness reports having seen. This time it is the "iron point of a lance" Something that looks both like "a candlestick" and "the iron point of a lance", which in fact is neither; but rather something else, so rarely seen that the words coined to describe it fell into disuse.

Note: "The Fallen Angels Code" is an alphabetical etymological code embedded within the Old Testament. The part I have cracked runs 16 pages long and I have only cracked part of it. It is a description of the initial arrival of the "Fallen Angels" on earth as recounted by at least 14 eyewittnesses who were amoung the survivors of those enslaved by the "Fallen Angels" to repair their shot down spaceship.

Those interested may find it posted HERE :

View topic - The "Fallen Angels Code" : as decoded to date :: K6Plus :: For K6, Socket 7 users, and beyond!

 

[Daniel411]

The vision of the cherubims

Same type description as OP

SEE:

Ezekiel 1:4-28

Ezekiel 10:8-22 (KJV)


20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. Ezek 1:20 (KJV)

26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. Ezek 1:26 (KJV)

16 And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them.

17 When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also: for the spirit of the living creature was in them.

18 Then the glory of the Lord departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims.

19 And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the Lord'S house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.

20 This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims.
Ezek 10:16-20 (KJV)

 

[Ronald]

1e) The spaceship is but one of several which appear in the scriptures.

There are no spaceships in scripture, just your imagination. I loved Star Trek, but is was fiction. Star Wars was great too. What you read in scripture: pillars of fire, even chariots of fire, lights in a circle within a circle, etc., are just what they say they are. Angels of light can move at amazing speed making right angle turns back and forth and may look like a flying saucer but it is not. There are no aliens from other planets visiting us. But know this, demonic beings can also appear as an angel of light and fool those into thinking it is something else. God clothed himself in a cloud so Moses could not see his full glory. You cannot look at God and live, you would burn up. A pillar of fire is just that. Thunder and lightning is just that.

 

[Mcrfan343]

I don't deny the fact that there could be intellegent life out in the universe, but I doubt that they were ever seen by anybody in ancient times. It's possible that they could've visited earth, but are not mentioned in Scripture. Dinosaurs are mentioned in Scripture, but not aliens.

 

[Sadalmelik]

yall know what is the proof that there is intelligent life out there?.......

the proof is that none of them have tried to contacted us!

 

[Mcrfan343]

So they basically want to stay in the shadows? Well with the crap that's going on in this world I wouldn't blame them.

 

[Sadalmelik]

 

[Cotjones]

The reason we haven't heard from them is that the nearest planet outside the solar system is about 10 light years away. That means that traveling at 7,000,000 mph it would still take you 100 years to get there. It is very likely that life is out there. It's not likely that
the first radio signals ever emitted from earth have reached them yet.

The first radio signal was broadcast in 1920, meaning that even if there were intelligent life out there, they'd have no way of knowing we existed from their home planet unless they were in a 92 light year radius. That sounds large but compared to the galaxy and universe that is a completely insignificant range. This also assumes that the life has at least developed to the level of human intelligence to develop radio detection. This isn't likely in the time frame we are discussing. There are very likely living things in the 92 LY radius, but most likely not intelligent life.

Say an alien world TODAY had a really powerful telescope and looked at earth from 100 LY away. He would see earth as it was 100 years ago. And even if he found us and sent out a message it couldn't get here till 2112. The reality is that the galaxy is about 110,000 light years across. We simply are so far from everything else it will still be difficult to make contact 100 years from now.