Sons of God?

[Cribstyl]

Job 1:6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


Why are some upset because "sons of God" are said to be angels and not aliens from other world?

Why should we beleive that satan is the ruler of earth and not just an angel who is king of temping and accusing humanity?


Should Christian doctrines be established from vague isolated texts?

 

[ALIOSIAS]

1 Corinthians 2:11 - As for a man, it is his own spirit within him that knows all about him; in the same way only God's Spirit knows all about God.

Affirmation

GOD COMMUNICATES WITH ME THROUGH MY SPIRIT. IT IS GOD'S SPIRIT THAT BEARS WITNESS WITH MY SPIRIT THAT I AM A SON OF GOD.

Romans 8:14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Albert Finch

 

[djconklin]

Should Christian doctrines be established from vague isolated texts?

There are 59 uses of the phrase "son* of God" in the Bible. So, the first question one should ask is why did the OP only select those 3? Second, who said that these were vague? According to what standard? Whose standard? Since the Bible isn't written like a Western theological work it is to be expected that there will be "isolated" (by the Western POV) texts.

A few more texts:

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.​

 

[AzA]

I don't know why some choose to be upset by what others believe.
I don't believe that satan is the ruler of earth.
I believe that we are of God.

 

[Cribstyl]

There are 59 uses of the phrase "son* of God" in the Bible. So, the first question one should ask is why did the OP only select those 3? Second, who said that these were vague? According to what standard? Whose standard? Since the Bible isn't written like a Western theological work it is to be expected that there will be "isolated" (by the Western POV) texts.​

Of those 59 uses of "sons of God," which other text are used to present aliens in the bible??? If I posted all the possibilities or not, why not post text that makes clear what I call "a the vague case for aliens."

Job is a unique book, and if there is a dialog about aliens post it? Isn't it coincidental that Satan is said to be the God of earth by those two verses in question.

The Old Testament makes clear that "sons of God" is considered as men in some texts and angels in some text.

The New Testament makes it clear that "sons of God" is considered as men in some text and angels in some text.

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.​

This text is used in error to mean angels rather than Adam's lineage. We know of 0 female angels in the bible.(post text)
We know of no sperm having angels.(post text)
Jesus said angels do not marry. that means no sex.


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[JonMiller]

It might be the case that Satan is our adversary, not God's.

That doesn't change our relationship to Satan.

JM

 

[djconklin]

If I posted all the possibilities or not, why not post text that makes clear what I call "a the vague case for aliens."

Because the OP didn't state that the texts were "a the vague case for aliens." It simply labled the texts as vague and isolated and that was what I dealt with.

This text is used in error to mean angels rather than Adam's lineage.

Maybe by some; but not all. Since I didn't claim that they are angels I have no burden to prove it.

 

[Cribstyl]

Job 1:6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


Why are some upset because "sons of God" are said to be angels and not aliens from other world?

Why should we beleive that satan is the ruler of earth and not just an angel who is king of temping and accusing humanity?


Should Christian doctrines be established from vague isolated texts?[/quote]

Because the OP didn't state that the texts were "a the vague case for aliens." It simply labled the texts as vague and isolated and that was what I dealt with.

There are reasonable answers to those 3 questions, that's not one of them.

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If those 3 text can be used to define aliens rather than angels, would it not mean that the text is not clearly understood?

 

[AzA]

I find it more interesting that most Christians prefer to define "sons of God" as anything but "sons of God." Anything but -- "angels," "aliens," "proto-Christians," "right-doers" ... anything but God's own.

 

[Cribstyl]

I find it more interesting that most Christians prefer to define "sons of God" as anything but "sons of God." Anything but -- "angels," "aliens," "proto-Christians," "right-doers" ... anything but God's own.

How many and which Sons are you talking about?

 

[AzA]

Crib -- I don't know how many sons God has. The universe is wonderfully large. I do love that I keep meeting more and more of them every day I live.

What's even more refreshing to me than numbering is the substance of sonship, the closeness and community that it implies. Being able to recognize family changes so much about how we relate to one another. That has been part of the lesson for me.

As George MacDonald once wrote:

We shall never be able, I say, to rest in the bosom of the Father, till the fatherhood is fully revealed to us in the love of the brothers. For he cannot be our father save as he is their father; and if we do not see him and feel him as their father, we cannot know him as ours. Never shall we know him aright until we rejoice and exult for our race that he is the Father.

 

[JPaul]

Cribstyl ...Should Christian doctrines be established from vague isolated texts?

Two or three texts should suffice.

JPaul

 

[Cribstyl]

Cribstyl ...Should Christian doctrines be established from vague isolated texts?

Two or three texts should suffice.

JPaul

Maybe you mean two or three witnesses.





Mat 18:16But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Jhn 8:17It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

Jhn 8:18I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

2Cr 13:1This [is] the third [time] I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

1Ti 5:19Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.

Hbr 10:28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:


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[Cribstyl]

Crib -- I don't know how many sons God has. The universe is wonderfully large. I do love that I keep meeting more and more of them every day I live.

What's even more refreshing to me than numbering is the substance of sonship, the closeness and community that it implies. Being able to recognize family changes so much about how we relate to one another. That has been part of the lesson for me.

As George MacDonald once wrote:

As Ronald McDonald would say; "This guy is nutty."

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[AzA]

As Ronald McDonald would say; "This guy is nutty."

What makes you think so?

 

[JonMiller]

I like George MacDonald even though I don't agree with him in everything.

JM

 

[AzA]

I like George MacDonald even though I don't agree with him in everything.

That's a fair position.
One of his strongest contributions was with regard to the equal value of all humans in the sight of God, and the consequence of that for human ethics. If we are all related, then that should influence our approach to one another. It's as both Jesus and John said: one can't respect God without also respecting one's family.

 

[Cribstyl]

Still waiting of alien texts or convincing arguments................

Well post the prophet and let's examine if we should consider why the bible is silent or not.

 

[trubeautie]

I've always understood "sons of God" to refer to God's other creations. We may not know which ones or what they look like...but they are sons of God, just like we are.

Never heard the term aliens in the Bible. That makes me think of weird looking things that we as humans create in our own minds.

 

[StormyOne]

everything God created belongs to him thus has to be a son or daughter of God... of course there are a group of christians that believe that only they are the children of God, but they would be mistaken.....