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I have another question for you all,
im gunna post this thread in here cause ive seen you guys do this as well.
why do you call them gays or homos? isnt that being just as bad as all the fundies that call them the F word cause you might as well be, i dont know maybe its just me but i find it to be kind of rude. its like just like calling someone of a different race a derogatory name.
 

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Sebjames said:
I have another question for you all,
im gunna post this thread in here cause ive seen you guys do this as well.
why do you call them gays or homos? isnt that being just as bad as all the fundies that call them the F word cause you might as well be, i dont know maybe its just me but i find it to be kind of rude. its like just like calling someone of a different race a derogatory name.
It is rude, unless you are using the term “gay” as defined…”happy.” :D
 
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I find it's easiest to use the terminology used by those who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgendered. Since many of the issues dealt with by one section of the community are dealt with by all, I mostly see the group referred to as GLBT, which is the terminology I use. I don't see much offense taken with the term "gay", although it depends mightily on the tone with which it's used. "Homo", on the other hand, I have a difficult time seeing as anything but perjorative, and it does the same violence to GLBT persons as do the other perjoratives used by those who wish to do them violence, for whatever reason. I solemnly condemn the use of violent rhetoric, including the use of perjorative names against those who are GLBT, especially from the pulpits of God's churches, a stand recently reaffirmed by the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) at their 2005 General Assembly, from which I recently returned.

I plead also with others to do the same.
 
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Its a little hard to explane, but its like people say "im cool with the gays" like there all the same or are in one big family,
and some people think just because there cool with them makes it ok for you to call them gays or homos and have it be ok
but see its different if you said "im cool with the homosexual life style" like how you cant call people midgets any more or mongloides its just more i dont know it just more politically correct...
 
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Well now ... I think the way someone intends a word has a lot to do how it is received. If one uses a word as a weapon then that is how it will be felt.

Have you ever heard the saying that a person can say just about anything and get by with it as long as they say it with a smile?

The word ‘homosexual’ is a proper word to describe someone that is attracted sexually to the same sex. It is neutral. It only becomes something more when it comes out of the mouth (or keyboard) of someone that intends it as an insult.


I will use the word ‘gay’ often when I post because it’s easier and less clinical sounding than homosexual. If homosexuals found it offensive I don’t think they wouldn’t have adopted it to spearhead the Gay Pride movement.

Another thing. I am female. You can refer to me as girl, gal, chick, woman, babe, hottie:) , foxy mannacita :D it doesn’t matter to me what you call me as long as you are well meaning.
Besides, I have a last name that nobody (unless they’re Lebanese) can pronounce correctly. I guess I am used to being called a lot of different things that I’m not sensitive about it.
 
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How you call someone of the LGBT community actually tells them a lot more about you than vice versa:

Homo - this means that you don't have any gay friends as they would tell you it is like a slap in the face or you are a conservative christian who doesn't care what hurt you inflict on others, or you are a regular poster to CF and have just picked up bad habits from those on Philosophy and Morality

Homosexual - you are uncomfortable with the idea of homosexuality and try to make it sound clinical and technical. Christians often talk about homosexuality which is offensive to lesbian christians because while homosexuality means same sex attraction (homo was used because it means same, not "man") they tend to only refer to men - so for instance in the response to the Anglican Winsor report a theologican says "Homosexuality contravenes the bible through the penetrative aspects of sex." - he sure isn't talking about lesbians.

gay - general term used throughout the english speaking world

Queer - this usually means you are either under 28 or a womyn's study or critical theory major.

Dyke - this means you either hate lesbians or you are one - it is one of those words of self description that have been taken back by the community.

Butch, Femme, Lipstick, earth goddess, Teddy Bear, Leatherman, Fairy, etc - I wouldn't recommend using these unless you are gay or lesbian and even then unless you know the people you are with as some are okay with the words and some arn't - specific description words - if you hang with gays and lesbians I would try to get a handle on what they mean or you will miss some of the humour

Wymyn, Womyn, Wimmin - if you are a guy, just back away! haha, no seriously, it means someone who is pretty serious about the history of male oppression and enforcement of male views through time so you kind of know what topics you might want to avoid (like never use the word Pornography if you want to escape in the next 30 minutes).

Homosexual lifestyle or Agenda - you are either someone trying to sell something at a pride event, a human rights worker or more likely a Christian who disapproves of gays. I can't think of the last time "Agenda" has been used with any of my friends in normal conversation - we don't have a lifestyle - we have a life.

Pride - a general term meaning the fight for equal acceptance and inclusion in all areas of society.

Partner - the general term for a committed gay relationship, also "life partner", lover, girlfriend/boyfriend, husband/wife. If you know someone gay and know that they have a significant other, Partner is the best word to use generally (i.e. "Is your partner coming later?").

LGBT, GLBT, LGBTTQI - these stand for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transsexual, transgender, Queer (if there is another Q it is for Questioning) and intersex. In the UK, it is LGBT because it was decided to put lesbians first due to their historical anonymity while in the US it is GLBT (probably because gays starting using the phrase). Ironically GLBT also shows the ranking of acceptance both in the world and within the community.

I recommend sticking with gay as it is near universally accepted for both genders, if you are welcoming people or something make sure to include Bi as bi people are not gay and noting that helps thier acceptance and inclusion - also Transgender is a good coverall for everything from Transsexuals, Drag Queens, bois, androgynous and straight transvestites - no one will be really happy becuase they are all different viewpoints and experiences but no one will be offended (maybe) either.
 
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Wow mpshiel! I haven't even heard of most of those terms! I generally stick to the common terms H,GLBT, LGBT whatever although I do tend to refer to homosexual when in debate or conversations however as it is the easiest way to refer to all as some people think 'gay' only applies to males.
 
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Sebjames said:
I have another question for you all,
im gunna post this thread in here cause ive seen you guys do this as well.
why do you call them gays or homos? isnt that being just as bad as all the fundies that call them the F word cause you might as well be, i dont know maybe its just me but i find it to be kind of rude. its like just like calling someone of a different race a derogatory name.
To me word are meaningless, the onlything that matters is the intent of what being said.
 
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Sebjames said:
saying gay is fine but people call them gays like there bunched into one group but as we can see from your post there are alot of different kinds of gay people
Using GLBT pretty much is an umbrella for an all encompassing abbreviation.

GLBT = gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, transexual
 
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