Something I'd like to know

[miknik5]

Do you have a bible source for the above, please?
I would like to read that.

Matthew 23

 

[eider]

Matthew 23

No......
You wrote to me...

So did CHRIST that HE would indeed send "prophets"
What do you think those "prophets" are testifying of?

...and in the above passage Yeshua is warning people that the priests say all the right things, but did all the wrong things, so by all means listen to them, but do not copy them.

Now..... where did Yeshua say that he would send prophets, please?

 

[miknik5]

No......
You wrote to me...

...and in the above passage Yeshua is warning people that the priests say all the right things, but did all the wrong things, so by all means listen to them, but do not copy them.

Now..... where did Yeshua say that he would send prophets, please?

Matthew 23

 

[eider]

Matthew 23

You can follow the priests' instructions, but don't do as they do, because they talk right but act wrong.

No prophets mentioned in there I'm afraid. It's looking as if you cannot find any passage of Yeshua's where he promised to send prophets?

 

[miknik5]

You can follow the priests' instructions, but don't do as they do, because they talk right but act wrong.

No prophets mentioned in there I'm afraid. It's looking as if you cannot find any passage of Yeshua's where he promised to send prophets?

Is there a problem with your eyes?

 

[miknik5]

34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute themfrom city to city: 35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.


What "burden" did you think these "prophets" (who are really HIS WITNESSES) are trying to lay on the people

 

[miknik5]

Then continue on afterwards and read HIS lament over Jerusalem not accepting HIM though HE has longed to gather them as a mother hen gathers her chicks

What burden are these prophets/witnesses laying in the people when the preach and testify of JESUS?

 

[eider]

Is there a problem with your eyes?

Yes.... damaged by measles in infancy.
But I read as well as any, and know exactly what that passage meant:-
You can follow the priests' instructions, but don't do as they do, because they talk right but act wrong.

So please, show me how transliterate thos verses more accurately, and how you show promises of prophets....?

 

[miknik5]

Yes.... damaged by measles in infancy.
But I read as well as any, and know exactly what that passage meant:-
You can follow the priests' instructions, but don't do as they do, because they talk right but act wrong.

So please, show me how transliterate thos verses more accurately, and how you show promises of prophets....?

No. I can't. I already did and you couldn't understand


I suggest you read maybe Matthew 22 and Matthew 24 before and after to see if you can make out what Matthew 23 is saying

 

[eider]

No. I can't. I already did and you couldn't understand

It might help, if in future you link to verses that actually do say what you want to show?

 

[miknik5]

It might help, if in future you link to verses that actually do say what you want to show

It might help if you read the word of GOD and knew it

 

[John 1720]

I saw a post today of a woman who was in deep distress. I wanted to say something to her, because I can relate from my experience. But I can't, I can't do anything but watch. However I can PM her, so what difference does it make?

If I can still reach her and talk to her with the ideas you see in my threads, shouldn't you be more concerned about that.

Well for that thread it was about personal problems, than theological problems. I guess it make sense to restrict non Christian from some forums. Even the bible says that, kinda

2 Peter 2:13

Why not let us nonzees romp around more topics, just think what Jesus would do.

We do in fact have some examples what Jesus did.
Jesus Faces Herod Luke 23:6-11

• When Pilate heard of Galilee, he asked if the Man were a Galilean. And as soon as he knew that He belonged to Herod’s jurisdiction, he sent Him to Herod, who was also in Jerusalem at that time. Now when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceedingly glad; for he had desired for a long time to see Him, because he had heard many things about Him, and he hoped to see some miracle done by Him. Then he questioned Him with many words, but He (Jesus) answered him nothing. And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused Him. Then Herod, with his men of war, treated Him with contempt and mocked Him, arrayed Him in a gorgeous robe, and sent Him back to Pilate.

The moral of the story is that motivations matter and Jesus was not about to turn Himself into a magic spectacle within Herod's dominion. I'm not saying that your motivations are not as pure as the driven snow but generally it would let the horse out of the barn. There is a time and place for Christian exhortation among believers and another time and place for cross dialog inquiry and debate. I think that is probably what is at the heart of the policy. It may not be the perfect design in all cases but then again we live in an imperfect world.
In Christ, John 17:20

 

[eider]

We do in fact have some examples what Jesus did.
Jesus Faces Herod Luke 23:6-11

• When Pilate heard of Galilee, he asked if the Man were a Galilean. And as soon as he knew that He belonged to Herod’s jurisdiction, he sent Him to Herod, who was also in Jerusalem at that time. Now when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceedingly glad; for he had desired for a long time to see Him, because he had heard many things about Him, and he hoped to see some miracle done by Him. Then he questioned Him with many words, but He (Jesus) answered him nothing. And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused Him. Then Herod, with his men of war, treated Him with contempt and mocked Him, arrayed Him in a gorgeous robe, and sent Him back to Pilate.

The moral of the story is that motivations matter and Jesus was not about to turn Himself into a magic spectacle within Herod's dominion. I'm not saying that your motivations are not as pure as the driven snow but generally it would let the horse out of the barn. There is a time and place for Christian exhortation among believers and another time and place for cross dialog inquiry and debate. I think that is probably what is at the heart of the policy. It may not be the perfect design in all cases but then again we live in an imperfect world.
In Christ, John 17:20

Hi.....
Your post and message seemed to propose that sometimes it might be better to do nothing.... to hold ones peace?

But folks who are dedicated to counselling and listening to those in great depression and serious risk of suicide would hold their peace..... about your proposal.

Maybe that's why, in the UK, they are called Samaritans? Samaritans never pass by a person in need.

 

[John 1720]

Hi.....
Your post and message seemed to propose that sometimes it might be better to do nothing.... to hold ones peace?

But folks who are dedicated to counselling and listening to those in great depression and serious risk of suicide would hold their peace..... about your proposal.

Maybe that's why, in the UK, they are called Samaritans? Samaritans never pass by a person in need.

Hi Sir,
I think you have completely misunderstood the context of my post. I never advocated doing nothing to help someone, as I believe the Lord does call us to serve in that capacity from the heart. The context of her question concerned the issue of restrictive threads; where I believe Christians could council one another but non Christians were not allowed to respond. The issue posed by UnderPar questioned the legitimacy of such a policy and advocated opening up restricted threads to open dialog. I've been on open forum threads as well as forums restricted to Christians only - there does happen to be a great deal of difference with respect to the type of response you get between them. Primarily I believe this has to do with motivational differences in what we deem as helpful. There are many worldviews out there and I advocate Christian to Christian is still a valid restriction. Her argument for changing policy was:

• ... that thread was more about personal problems, than theological problems. I guess it make sense to restrict non Christian from some forums. Even the bible says that, kinda 2 Peter 2:13 Why not let us nonzees romp around more topics, just think what Jesus would do.

I believe what I stated in context was that while CF rules may not be exactly perfect they are compartmentalized for good reason. Forums designed for Christian to Christian dialog are designed to be within the body of Christ. There is a time and place for Christian exhortation among believers and another time and place for cross dialog inquiry and debate with non-Christians. I think that is probably what is at the heart of the policy. I also said while I didn't question UnderPar's motivation for wanting to jump in and dialog that not everyone's motivations may be as pure, in fact it may be detrimental in a Christian context.

 

[eider]

Hi Sir,
I think you have completely misunderstood the context of my post. I never advocated doing nothing to help someone, as I believe the Lord does call us to serve in that capacity from the heart. The context of the question concerned the issue of restricting threads; where I believe Christians could council one another but non Christians were not allowed to respond. The question posed by UnderPar was questioning the legitimacy of such a policy and opening up restricted threads to open dialog, I've been on open forum threads as well as forums restricted to Christians only - there does happen to be a great difference between them. Primarily it has to do with motivations that cause differences in what we deem as helpful. Her argument for changing policy was:

• ... that thread was more about personal problems, than theological problems. I guess it make sense to restrict non Christian from some forums. Even the bible says that, kinda 2 Peter 2:13 Why not let us nonzees romp around more topics, just think what Jesus would do.

I believe what I stated in context was that while CF rules may not be perfect forums designed for Christian to Christian dialog are there for a reason. There is a time and place for Christian exhortation among believers and another time and place for cross dialog inquiry and debate. I think that is probably what is at the heart of the policy. I also said while I didn't question UnderPar's motivation for wanting to jump in and dialog that not everyone's motivations may be as pure, in fact it may be detrimental in a Christian context.

Thankyou for your patience and explanation.
That's fine....... I visit religion, theology and Christian websites because I study Historical Jesus. It's not possible to spend so many years in this study without getting to know some of the bible, and so I can mingle with Christians in conversation to some extent, but strangely, because some of the Christian sites restrict freedom of speech, this stops me from asking questions in the same way that I can on some other sites.
But....... since this is the most polite forum I have visited in years I was encouraged to hang around a bit.

 

[John 1720]

Thankyou for your patience and explanation.
That's fine....... I visit religion, theology and Christian websites because I study Historical Jesus. It's not possible to spend so many years in this study without getting to know some of the bible, and so I can mingle with Christians in conversation to some extent, but strangely, because some of the Christian sites restrict freedom of speech, this stops me from asking questions in the same way that I can on some other sites.
But....... since this is the most polite forum I have visited in years I was encouraged to hang around a bit.

Yes, I don't think CF is trying to restrict dialog between believers and non-believers. There are many threads which encourage that kind of open dialog but they do want a place for Christian to Christian dialog as well where we can exhort each other in the faith. The same would hold true for a Church, all are welcome but you don't expect non-members to walk in and start advising the Pastor and the flock on how they should behave. Questions are good and should be open; Christian advice from non-Christians maybe not always. Can we cover all exceptions to the rule with policy? In a perfect world perhaps but in the reality of this one - probably not.
That said I am glad you are here and I would not want anyone to feel unwelcome, especially in asking questions.
In Christ, John 17:20