Something I can never understand - can anyone help?

[Archaeopteryx]

Recognisable concepts of God will all be insufficient.

Insufficient for what?

 

[Catherineanne]

Insufficient for what?

Whom. Everyone.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Whom. Everyone.

Insufficient for everyone for what purpose?

 

[Dave RP]

Good answer, thanks. Notwithstanding that, I still don't believe in God but at least my understanding of the thoughts of believers is enhanced a little.

 

[Resha Caner]

Yes. But that does not mean our idea is necessarily right; God would still need to reveal something of himself to us.

thumbs up

 

[Resha Caner]

It will, because it won't change my mind.

I've enjoyed most of your replies and agreed with them. This one, however, is unfortunate.

 

[Winepress777]

No one has an excuse to not believe the obvious;

(Rom 1:20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

(1Ti 6:16) Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
(1Ti 6:17) Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

(Psa 8:3) When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
(Psa 8:4) What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

(Psa 33:6) By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
(Psa 33:7) He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
(Psa 33:8) Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
(Psa 33:9) For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

(Psa 148:5) Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.

(Psa 95:3) For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
(Psa 95:4) In his hand are the deep places of the earth: the strength of the hills is his also.
(Psa 95:5) The sea is his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry land.
(Psa 95:6) O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker.
(Psa 95:7) For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,


(Psa 95:8) Harden not your heart...

 

[Archaeopteryx]

No one has an excuse to not believe the obvious;

What are you claiming to be obvious?

 

[Catherineanne]

Insufficient for everyone for what purpose?

To create any real idea of what God is like.

'God is that, greater than which we cannot conceive.' St Anselm.

In other words, any concept we come up with will necessarily be insufficient.

 

[Catherineanne]

I've enjoyed most of your replies and agreed with them. This one, however, is unfortunate.

Why? The assumption that half a lifetime of careful study can be undone by one silly video about creationism is not reasonable. My God is not a deceiver; what evidence he gives us in creation is the truth because God cannot lie. Lies come from the other place.

Life is too short to watch 28 minutes of lies.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

To create any real idea of what God is like.

'God is that, greater than which we cannot conceive.' St Anselm.

In other words, any concept we come up with will necessarily be insufficient.

So whatever the real answer is, even if it's not supernatural, you will call it "God"?

 

[Winepress777]

What are you claiming to be obvious?

Oh sorry, perhaps my post didn't come through altogether... here is what is obvious;

(Rom 1:20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

(1Ti 6:16) Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
(1Ti 6:17) Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

(Psa 8:3) When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
(Psa 8:4) What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

(Psa 33:6) By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
(Psa 33:7) He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
(Psa 33:8) Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
(Psa 33:9) For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

(Psa 148:5) Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.

(Psa 95:3) For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
(Psa 95:4) In his hand are the deep places of the earth: the strength of the hills is his also.
(Psa 95:5) The sea is his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry land.
(Psa 95:6) O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker.
(Psa 95:7) For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,


(Psa 95:8) Harden not your heart...

 

[Winepress777]

A "hardened heart" is the one and only thing that will prevent us from seeing God and His Creation, He does say that, so then that can be the only answer if one denies the obvious. Then it is pointless to discuss to a hard hearted person.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Oh sorry, perhaps my post didn't come through altogether... here is what is obvious;

(Rom 1:20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Did you know that the Quran has a very similar line in it? It claims that you are without excuse for not accepting the doctrines of Islam.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

A "hardened heart" is the one and only thing that will prevent us from seeing God and His Creation, He does say that, so then that can be the only answer if one denies the obvious. Then it is pointless to discuss to a hard hearted person.

Is your heart hardened to Islam?

 

[Winepress777]

Did you know that the Quran has a very similar line in it? It claims that you are without excuse for not accepting the doctrines of Islam.

As though that has any significance to the OP...

 

[Archaeopteryx]

As though that has any significance to the OP...

Yours had little significance to the OP either, beyond being a thinly veiled insult.

 

[Winepress777]

Is your heart hardened to Islam?

My heart is not hardened toward God is the point here.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Oh sorry, perhaps my post didn't come through altogether... here is what is obvious;

(Rom 1:20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

All I need to disprove the assertion you're advocating here is to be aware of at least one person for whom the existence of Yahweh is not 'obvious'. As it happens, I am aware of at least one such person - me.

By predicating the assertion on information accessible only to me, this verse provides me with 100% certainty that the Bible is false, and consequently, that your 'god' Yahweh doesn't exist. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Winepress777]

Yours had little significance to the OP either, beyond being a thinly veiled insult.

I have no problem with you being fully insulted with the Word of God. It is none of my concern. I just gave you His Word of Truth. No amount of clever spinning will change a thing. We either have a heart made to know God and His Creation, or our heart is hard, and we remain ignorant of it. Read it as you will.