Something from nothing.

[rcorlew]

Let me start off this thread by saying that I firmly believe that the farther science progresses, that it too will get to a point that it proves that creation itself took place. God is a God of both spirit and logic and in the book of Job He states that He created all the laws govern both earth and space (Job 38:33), those are the very laws of Physics that scientists and mathematicians struggle with today. If God created these laws and applied them to creation as He indeed tells Job He did, then understanding these laws will only prove that God did indeed create things like He said.

The Bible does give hints as to how all this Creation was accomplished, and the very science that pushes forward begins to align itself, although unknowingly at the time, with the creation account.

My supposition is this:
The love of Christ, that is the love that Jesus had for us before time began was the fuel that all creation was based on.

That might seem odd, but ask any person male or female with a newborn baby that they love so much, how they can endure nights without sleep while caring for that baby and you will usually get a response like 'I don't know, I just need to take care of my child'. There is another explanation however, one that is experienced by most, but defined by none; love creates energy. When you truly love someone or something, that love will continue to give you energy when other people would have surely faded. A mother with a new born child, a football player running stairs for hours, a person working 16 hours a day for a charity, they all get energy from the fact that they love.

What does that have to do with anything you probably are asking right now, good question. In the Bible it says:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

He was in the beginning with God.

All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

In Him was life, and the life was the light of men;

and the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it.

Ok, here we have the Bible saying that all things were created through Jesus, but Jesus is spirit which is not matter so how can anything be done from state. The Bible also gives another clue, now remember they did not have the complicated set of math/physics that we do today but they still understood that God created through Christ.

And Jesus, perceiving in himself that power had gone out from him, immediately turned about in the crowd and said, "Who touched my garments?"

Ok, we all know that God has power and love, there is nothing new there. My friends, there is more than meets the eye, you see a rally famous person unknowingly wrote an equation to prove God's creation, that famous person is Albert Einstein. It is simple and beautiful:

E = mc^2 (read E = mc squared)

The same equation that gives us energy from matter, ie.. the atomic bomb, also gives us matter from energy.

"If you could pull on a single quark, as it gets farther and farther away, the force between that quark and the others remains the same, but the energy you're putting into that system to move the quark is getting higher and higher. So the farther away you pull, the more energy you're stuffing in there. And you get so much energy stored up, that a new particle could be produced, because according to Einstein's E=mc2, energy can be transformed into matter. And so a new particle just mysteriously pops out of the vacuum. And now you've got a brand new particle. And if you pull very hard for a very long distance, you can have many of these new particles appear."

2004 JLab News Release - JLab Completes 100th Experiment

There is my beautiful theory, the love that Jesus had for us is the energy that God used to create something from nothing as proved by Albert Einstein.

I will be interested to see your replies.

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

Let me start off this thread by saying that I firmly believe that the farther science progresses, that it too will get to a point that it proves that creation itself took place. God is a God of both spirit and logic and in the book of Job He states that He created all the laws govern both earth and space (Job 38:33), those are the very laws of Physics that scientists and mathematicians struggle with today. If God created these laws and applied them to creation as He indeed tells Job He did, then understanding these laws will only prove that God did indeed create things like He said.

The Bible does give hints as to how all this Creation was accomplished, and the very science that pushes forward begins to align itself, although unknowingly at the time, with the creation account.

My supposition is this:
The love of Christ, that is the love that Jesus had for us before time began was the fuel that all creation was based on.

That might seem odd, but ask any person male or female with a newborn baby that they love so much, how they can endure nights without sleep while caring for that baby and you will usually get a response like 'I don't know, I just need to take care of my child'. There is another explanation however, one that is experienced by most, but defined by none; love creates energy. When you truly love someone or something, that love will continue to give you energy when other people would have surely faded. A mother with a new born child, a football player running stairs for hours, a person working 16 hours a day for a charity, they all get energy from the fact that they love.

What does that have to do with anything you probably are asking right now, good question. In the Bible it says:


Ok, here we have the Bible saying that all things were created through Jesus, but Jesus is spirit which is not matter so how can anything be done from state. The Bible also gives another clue, now remember they did not have the complicated set of math/physics that we do today but they still understood that God created through Christ.



Ok, we all know that God has power and love, there is nothing new there. My friends, there is more than meets the eye, you see a rally famous person unknowingly wrote an equation to prove God's creation, that famous person is Albert Einstein. It is simple and beautiful:

E = mc^2 (read E = mc squared)

The same equation that gives us energy from matter, ie.. the atomic bomb, also gives us matter from energy.



There is my beautiful theory, the love that Jesus had for us is the energy that God used to create something from nothing as proved by Albert Einstein.

I will be interested to see your replies.

Well done, my friend. I have to ask, are you a Young Earth Creationist? J/w But good post. =]

 

[rcorlew]

Yes I am a YEC.

God created a mature creation that was fully developed. Plants were mature and bearing fruit, man had knowledge and could speak immediately. The evidence seems overwhelming, but most people just read over the words and do not contemplate what they are actually saying.

 

[Sophophile]

Yes I am a YEC.

God created a mature creation that was fully developed. Plants were mature and bearing fruit, man had knowledge and could speak immediately. The evidence seems overwhelming, but most people just read over the words and do not contemplate what they are actually saying.

Hi rcorlew

In the mature creation, do you think trees had growth rings? And do you think Adam had a navel?

Thanks
S.

 

[crawfish]

Yes I am a YEC.

God created a mature creation that was fully developed. Plants were mature and bearing fruit, man had knowledge and could speak immediately. The evidence seems overwhelming, but most people just read over the words and do not contemplate what they are actually saying.

Of course, if the universe was really created "in progress", then most YEC science is bunk because it assumes a shorter period of time for events to have taken place.

 

[laconicstudent]

And since after googling the title of the experiment, it didn't seem to have ever been published, I think it can be dismissed. Its what the lab HOPES to someday do. Its only theoretical. The creation of real particles from virtual ones is still an unproven theory.

 

[wayseer]

There is my beautiful theory, the love that Jesus had for us is the energy that God used to create something from nothing as proved by Albert Einstein.

I will be interested to see your replies.

Don't play around with quarks unless you know what you are talking about.

 

[laconicstudent]

Don't play around with quarks unless you know what you are talking about.

Along those lines. Trying to mix science and math with "Love" really is not too pretty, it doesn't prove anything. Love isn't a form of energy, and cannot be used to generate real particles from virtual particles.

 

[Mick116]

Yes I am a YEC.

Oh well, nobody's perfect

God created a mature creation that was fully developed. Plants were mature and bearing fruit, man had knowledge and could speak immediately.

A creation complete with light from distant stars and fossils embedded into the ground? Perhaps God wrote the entire 14 billion year-old history of the universe into His creation over 6 days, close to 6000 years ago.

The evidence seems overwhelming, but most people just read over the words and do not contemplate what they are actually saying.

There are many who have contemplated the words, and yet arrived at vastly different conclusions.

Good OP, btw. While speaking of love as the creative agent of the universe might not be science per se, it is most definitely in accord with Christian theology (after all, God is defined by His attributes; as John has written, "God is love"). It is also love which initiates the New Creation within every believer's heart.

 

[Assyrian]

Don't play around with quarks unless you know what you are talking about.

Yes those Dabo girls are trouble.

 

[rcorlew]

Don't play around with quarks unless you know what you are talking about.

I actually sat through an exposition on sub-atomic particles, much of it was about particle behavior and its seemingly randomness.

Quarks drew much attention because it was the first physical evidence of E=mc^2 to create rather than destroy. I do believe it was the University of Chicago @ 1998 if memory serves me correctly where the first quark was observed. Later experiments proved that quarks display some rather strange characteristics like their ability to spontaneously exist.

 

[alexross8]

There are many problems with quantum physics and such.

Like the problems with various paradoxes.

When something is calculated in quantum physics , no matter how much it's accuracy , the calculation may be rejected if it doesn't jive with what the scientists think.

In reality , Scientists are throwing out accurate calculations , because they don't BELIEVE the calculation is right.

They have been doing this for about a century or more .

I think they are wrong , because their beliefs have been wrong for longer than my life.


The fact is , if something exists today , it could disprove something that may have existed yesterday.

Population stems from 1900 am , near the year Noah got off his ark.
Millions and millions of minerature earthquakes are happening right now , and would crumble a bone into dust within only a few thousand years.
Most animals are naturally symmetrical on the outside , yet asymmetrical on the inside.

These facts alone disprove anything that opposes these facts.