Something from Nothing

[Baggins]

Then you're not a human, or even a primate. Since the only other non-simian species who exhibit something close to human like intelligence is a dolphin....

Little Nipper is a young Dolphin - hence the name

I've heard about those US navy experiments, but who'd have guessed they'd gone so far

 

[malignantpoodle]

It disagrees by this (and don't show me skeletons of seperate humans and seperate apes): have they ever found that ape-human creature? I don't think that they have...so that's a start. And if it's an accident--why haven't we noticed a small change by now?

Did they ever find Jesus' bones? What about the ark of the covenant and the tablets the ten commandments were written on? No?

How about heavan, has anyone come back to tell us about it? Did the AP put out an article on how fossils were the devil's lie?

This is irrational thinking. First of all I'm not sure that ape-man existed (unless you want to consider the countless species of man prior to homo-sapien as ape-man), and second, saying that the entire theory is invalid because something that you want to see (ape-man), which the theory of evolution never attests to, existed.

 

[malignantpoodle]

Pretty much the best summation of the real reasons Creationists are against evolution. You can't bear the thought that you aren't a special singular creation of your diety. The idea that you are no different than any other creature on this planet disgusts you.

What is so awfull about being an animal no different than anything else? None is saying you can't keep a soul this way. No one is saying you have to throw out the concept of a creator god who made all of it happen this way. What we are saying is that to trust implicity in the accuracy of a 2000 year old book versus the collected knowledge of humanity to the exclusion of any and all progress is arrogant beyond measure.

You presume that your complete failure to understand even the most basic concepts of the topic somehow invalidates them. Because you CAN understand the Bible, but not science, that makes science wrong. I don't understand the science that allows a doctor to replace a patients failing heart, but I don't assume it must not happen because of this. why is it so hard to admit you might be wrong? What gives you the gaul to think your lack of education means you are right and 99% of the worlds scientists are wrong?

This is so well stated you should get paid for it.

 

[LittleNipper]

Jet is a guy.

Well then his/her CF Character is out of character.

 

[LittleNipper]

Well, obviously, human knowledge which has been refined by new data and constantly tested for accuracy is better than a collection of mythological tales created in the absense of knowledge.

But enough of this silly science VS God fallacy. They aren't mutually exclusive. The problem only occurs when one makes claims about the natural world which have been falsified through science and then attributes these claims to God. Otherwise, they coexist quite harmoniously.

You have no idea.

Evolution is not true. True science and Biblical investigations get along very well. It is when one tries to establish a theory which cannot be proven that a struggle begins. Evolution is entirely contray to eveything the Bible has to say or offer. And the human by-products of evolution have always been evil.

 

[Hydra009]

This is so well stated you should get paid for it.

I agree. But what about, "What gives you the gaul to think your lack of education means you are right and 99% of the worlds scientists are wrong?"

Is this accidential or is LittleNipper's imfamous typo catching steam?

 

[LittleNipper]

Pretty much the best summation of the real reasons Creationists are against evolution. You can't bear the thought that you aren't a special singular creation of your diety. The idea that you are no different than any other creature on this planet disgusts you.

The summation of why evolutionists are against Bible innerancy is because they cannot bear the thought that their actions and behavior will be judged one day, and without CHRIST will be found to be nothing but filthy rags.... The very idea of GOD passing judgment on them disgusts them. and so they ignore GOD with the hope that if one does not believe in GOD hard enough, GOD will simply vanish. At the very least they might try to say, "We just didn't know because we were not contemplating GOD."

 

[Hydra009]

Evolution is not true. True science and Biblical investigations get along very well. It is when one tries to establish a theory which cannot be proven that a struggle begins. Evolution is entirely contray to eveything the Bible has to say or offer. And the human by-products of evolution have always been evil.

Yes, yes. By now, all of us have heard that little spiel. Repeating it ad naseum doesn't actually make a case against evolution - it just reinforces the observation that creationists don't take objection to evolution based on evidence, but on perceived theological grounds.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Evolution is not true. True science and Biblical investigations get along very well. It is when one tries to establish a theory which cannot be proven that a struggle begins. Evolution is entirely contray to eveything the Bible has to say or offer. And the human by-products of evolution have always been evil.

And what "by-products" would that be? (Not that the consequences of a fact would have any effect on the truthfulness of the fact itself.)

 

[Eudaimonist]

And what "by-products" would that be?

Mutant zombies.

 

[notto]

The summation of why evolutionists are against Bible innerancy is because they cannot bear the thought that their actions and behavior will be judged one day, and without CHRIST will be found to be nothing but filthy rags.... The very idea of GOD passing judgment on them disgusts them. and so they ignore GOD with the hope that if one does not believe in GOD hard enough, GOD will simply vanish. At the very least they might try to say, "We just didn't know because we were not contemplating GOD."

False witness against lots of Christians who accept evolution. Perhaps you should be a bit more worried about your own judgement.

If you have to lie to make a point LittleNipper, you might want to reconsider the validity of your point.

 

[awesome liver]

creation doesn't explain anything. it says something and you form what you want to believe based on your own feelings and no outside influences other than what inspired your own imagination.

evolution does not try to explain the origins of the universe. once again, thank you for displaying to the world your ignorance on a subject you neither have the patience nor desire to ever learn.

creationism is the on that tries to explain the origins of the universe, not of the transforamation of species through the eons.

you say god created the universe? fine. but you can basically change the word god with anything else like frank the hotdog vendor and you will still have changed nothing. you're just talking for the sake of talking. if you have anything intelligent to say, do so but don't antagonize the enlightened crowd by arguing something out of ignorance instead of curiosity.

 

[LittleNipper]

creation doesn't explain anything. it says something and you form what you want to believe based on your own feelings and no outside influences other than what inspired your own imagination.

evolution does not try to explain the origins of the universe. once again, thank you for displaying to the world your ignorance on a subject you neither have the patience nor desire to ever learn.

creationism is the on that tries to explain the origins of the universe, not of the transforamation of species through the eons.

you say god created the universe? fine. but you can basically change the word god with anything else like frank the hotdog vendor and you will still have changed nothing. you're just talking for the sake of talking. if you have anything intelligent to say, do so but don't antagonize the enlightened crowd by arguing something out of ignorance instead of curiosity.

Yeah, right, whatever-------------

Corinthians 1:18

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of GOD.

 

[Beastt]

You'll have to take this all up with the LORD. If you have to whine to make your points perhaps you might look up the word "lie" first. The only malice I hear seems to be coming from you.....

Want me to take this up with "the LORD"? Fine. Bring him here. I'm sure Erwin would accept him openly to every segment of the forum. Though I seriously doubt you wouldn't find just as many Christians arguing with him as non-Christians.

When we assume anything as written by the direction of God/gods simply because the authors make such a claim, we make the same mistake as all of those who believe books which we personally choose not to believe. And assumption is all you have.

These books are all largely the same. They all come about the same way, not from gods, but from men. And are offered to other men who will either accept them out of assumption or reject them out of hand or because they show themselves to fall short of their own claims -- as does the Bible.

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That said, allow me to at least partially extract myself from the bandwagon of arguments against your posts by letting me congradulate you on choosing either to believe the words of your chosen book, or to dismiss them as false, rather than the more common practice of bending, reinterpreting and altering them to meet a more acceptable meaning, designed only to coincide more with what science can demonstrate to be true.

Flat Earth -> Spherical Earth

Geocentrism -> Heliocentrism

Creationism -> Evolution

Religion -> Reality​

Two down, one and a half to go.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Yeah, right, whatever-------------

Corinthians 1:18

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of GOD.

Drawing from the vast pool of creationist knowlegde, debating skill and general greatness, LittleNipper once again annihilates his opponents with a masterfully crafted response.

 

[Boanerge]

Creationism -> Evolution

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Creationism Vs. Evolution
.....hmmmmmm......

I'm Thinking so hard, I think I just farted....

Wait a second!-- Did I just CREATE a fart or did my consumption of fiber-rich foods EVOLVE into a Fart?---

Oh man I'm so confused!!!!

 

[MewtwoX]

Biodiversity of species is the "variation" of life.

Happy?

 

[Liquefied]

It seems JohnR7 is still not getting this so I'll make it nice and clear.

Evolution does not deal with the origin of life.
Scientists do not look to the Theory of Evolution for an explanation of the origin of life in just the same way as you would not look to the Bible for instructions on how to change a clutch in a '91 Honda Civic.

 

[Opethian]

Scientists do not look to the Theory of Evolution for an explanation of the origin of life in just the same way as you would not look to the Bible for instructions on how to change a clutch in a '91 Honda Civic.

A more appropriate analogy would be that you do not look in a driving instruction manual for instructions on how to build a car.