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That's a flat-out mis-statement. I never said any such thing.That's what you've told us before is your reason for being here--to smite Protestants and anyone who dares to speak unfavorably about the RCC. Has something changed?
Catholics are divided? Lovely.The difference is that Catholics are divided, but Catholic teaching is one body.
Uh, hello?There is no one body of Protestant teaching...
Sculleywr is probably the easiest to talk to here, if we simply hear him. He's really quite clear that his denomination is The One True Church and all others are not part of the Body of Christ.
Of course they do!
Not everything is settled by a Papal pronouncement, but many are.
It really depends on what you are trying to "prove". ALL things necessary salvific have been written down and canonized and the scriptures say this.
However, if your group is of the mind to modify, develop, etc, what Irenaeus accused folks of (that the apostles didn't have the fulness of faith, and thus wrote it down for later generations), then yeah, what happens is what we see, schism, heresy, abiding evil in the midst of the Body.
Oh, right. Why don't you enlighten us about our issues...even the split between Orthodox and Catholic was very much a cultural thing.
Interesting
You're now speaking of those in the land of the living as opposed to those
who have died?
Sounds cool.
Indians do a little bow to one another and say "sat siri akal" (spelling?)
which is like "the divine in me bows to the divine in you".
That's the way the theory is always expressed. It's too bad it doesn't, and can't, work that way in reality.
Sorry, but all I can go by is what's written there. You said something about "greeting Christ" and "victory in them," both of which could have many meanings, considering that God created everything that exists.
Are you serious? There are many Catholic churches--Roman, Orthodox Eastern, Coptic, Nestorian, Old Catholic, Liberal Catholic, Armenian, Independent Catholics, and more. There is NO one body of teaching among them.
And as for there being "no one body of Protestant teaching," why should there be? These are not churches that, in most cases, ever had anything to do with the others. The term means only "those churches that aren't Catholic."
There is no presumption that there should or even could be a single body of belief when we are discussing totally unrelated churches.
That's what you've told us before is your reason for being here--to smite Protestants and anyone who dares to speak unfavorably about the RCC. Has something changed?
Since when did you become my translator?Oh, you didn't say "smite," that's true, but the meaning was there.
At least one patriarch disagrees, believing we're "nearly united".On that one, he has you nailed into the wall. The Great Schism wasn't cultural as much as it was doctrinal. And there are now more doctrines separating us than before.
Back it up with evidence, or it never happened.
Plus, this is a clear ad hominim. In case you were wondering, it's also way off-topic.
Yes, but it is your assertion that all people from all "Christian" bodies are of the Church
That's called sectarianism.whereas it is our assertion that only ONE Body is the Church.
I don't mind if you are opposed to church unity. What I didn't "get" is why you refused to say this when asked.You cannot say that we believe that only one body is the true Body of Christ, and then expect us to defend bodies in which we are not part.
Now there's another new word for you--hyperbole.That is the most illogical and ludicrous expectation ever
The problem is, Scripture was not determined in the time of Irenaeus, with the exception of the Old Testament. All of the Apostolic writings were referred to as Tradition in his writing. Sola Scriptura would have meant, in his time, using only the Old Testament and ignoring the writings of the Apostles. All the way up until the mid-to-late 300's, that would be the meaning of Sola Scriptura.
I prefer the KISS philosophy "Keep it simple, simpleton."
I, however, do not limit salvation to within the Church, as Roman Catholics used to. Salvation is as limited as God is (and we know what that means).
I doubt you think all men are saved without agreeing with the Church.
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