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What number am I thinking of?"Mortals" are sojourning, what you call "spirits" have finished their earthly sojourn; both are in Christ.
Proximity, nor even the physical ears, are needed to hear in the Holy Spirit.
I agree.
I am not sure if the conclusion follow the premise. What eras say that they are constantly praying because they are dead in Christ?
Are the dead in Christ in heaven already? 1 Thes 4:16-17
Isn't the revealing of Christ the day of Judgment? And the Scripture doesn't say that we take on His character.
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And yet notice there isn't an intercession on any of our behalf. The rich man wanted that and Abraham said no " They have the law and the prophecy" and someone told the dead Saints to wait before they were avenged because other saints had to be killed.
Not to claim that it is not the dead saints, but I'm assuming that bowl is everyone's prayers.
That still doesn't explain the fact that we are never told to pray to a dead person to intercede for us. And none of the verses oven, showed that they prayed for us. In fact the one you show in Revalation said that they "cried out with a loud voice" appealing for Him to destroy those on their own behalf.
But I don't understand l, why not just pray to the only God we know who hears our prayers?
What number am I thinking of?
We all bow down before(or around) things. Altars, even the wall at home. Some pray with their Bible in hand. It's the heart that matters.
Didn't the Pharisees take part in this kind of mocking when they beat Christ? "If you are a prophet, then tell us who it was that hit you!"
So you disagree with sculley?
Or with the Bible translators?
No. They were mocking Christ.
That's a rather important difference.
Yes, I like to mock my friends and I try toDidn't the Pharisees take part in this kind of mocking when they beat Christ? "If you are a prophet, then tell us who it was that hit you!"
Probably not appropriate.
So you're saying that you understand it better than the Bible translators?No. I'm saying "Graven image" is not in the Ten Commandments.
Yeah, but the type of mocking is not changed by the object of the mocking. It is still mocking, either way you cut it.
The reason the word serve is not highlighted was because it was between these two words sculleywr is adressing here
So he is not adressing the verb or the actual act of serving them, but of the images and idols. So I just posted an example where you can find both in one verse. Which was an example of many verses I encouraged her to run to find (together) in other verses.
Showered and now hitting the road, suncritter enjoy the sun
If you think so. But what you wrote was that it was like the Pharisees mocking Christ, which we both agree now was not the case.
EXCEPT that all of the followingThe Translators of the KJV favored flowery language that wasn't exactly accurate in this occasion.
Yes, I like to mock my friends and I try to
do it in a Pharisaical sort of way.
So you're saying that you understand it better than the Bible translators?
Calm down already, There was no mocking going on.Yeah, but the type of mocking is not changed by the object of the mocking. It is still mocking, either way you cut it.
Apparantly they used both idol AND carved imageActually, I understand it in the way that most other Bible translators took it:
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
New Living Translation (©2007)
"You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an image of anything in the heavens or on the earth or in the sea.
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
Do not make an idol for yourself, whether in the shape of anything in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.
International Standard Version (©2012)
"You are not to make for yourselves an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above, or on earth below, or in the water under the earth.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Never make your own carved idols or statues that represent any creature in the sky, on the earth, or in the water.
World English Bible
"You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Did someone here claim to be a prophet?
Apparantly they used both idol AND carved image
"statue" etc.
So evidently both are no no.
Ye do not make to yourselves idols;
and graven image
or standing image ye do not set up to yourselves;
and a stone of imagery ye do not put in your land,
to bow yourselves to it; for I am Jehovah your God.
It was none of the above.let's boil it down. One person posited something, the other person proposed a ridiculous test of that posited point. It was not followed by an explanation, and so, alone, is not hyperbole, but sarcastic mocking.
You go ahead and ignore everything that doesn't fit your paradigm.to Which point I went to the Strong's. Lexicons help here:
the two words used are:
פסל pecel, which means 1) Idol, image.
תמונה tĕmuwnah, which means 1) form, image, likeness, representation, semblance
Now. I'm not a genius, but perhaps I'm missing the idea of carving and engraving here.
As an honest interpreter, it would be ethically wrong for me to assume carving is involved here. The similar word "PASAL" does exist, to refer to carving as a verb or adjective. But the word does not appear in the verse. Why should we read it into the verse?
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