simonthezealot
have you not read,what God has spoken unto you?
- Apr 17, 2006
- 16,461
- 1,919
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Others
Upvote
0
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
Foolishness..The Lord is God. All fall short of Him.If ALL means ALL...then that includes the Lord...
You guys and your semantic word game mental gymnastic approach to apologetics makes me laugh...
We must die to be born of the dead.So you believe that we are dead in Christ...and Catholic Theology is amiss? To quote you, "riiiiiiight"
Here's what is disgusting about that, is that they would rather attack the divinity of Christ to defend a un-biblical doctrine than allow that doctrine it's true alignment to scripture...Which is non existent.inb4 someone uses Jesus as an example to prove that "all" doesn't really mean "all" in that above quote.
EDIT: too late.
Attacking Christ divinity. Shameful!So Jesus, then sinned? Obviously, not. So ALL doesn't mean every one. "All have sinned " only means that all are subject to original sin. Mary was spared from original sin by God, not herself. "All have sinned" also refers only to those able to commit sin. This is not everyone. Infants, the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], and the senile cannot sin. Lastly, the Greek word for "all", pantes, is used many times, when it doesn't mean "every one".
Verily I say unto you,I have rebutted it and rebutted it. And then you 'but' it. I really don't care whether you believe it or not. What I care about is that it's not misrepresented.
Mary deserves a place of high honor for her role in Christianity. That Protestants want to relegate her to Christmas Eve, and no more is your loss. Not hers. Or ours. The question is not really whether or not to treat her specially. It's how special do you really think she is. Obviously, Protestants don't believe she's special. Holding God in her womb for 9 months seems to count nothing to you. I wonder how you treat your mothers...
How?
The inuendo that Mary and any others are without sin. That's how.How?
You're right! It IS what he actually DID.THAT has never been the issue here. It's what he actually DID.
WRONG. If you want to know what Catholics believe, do not go to former Catholics. Most former Catholics don't know what Catholics believe or what the Church teaches. Many current Catholics don't know, too. It has to do with short attention spans in modern culture.Then take it from FORMER Catholics and others who know, that the real story and the approved alibi given by Catholics to non-members who ask about such things are not identical.
I would say you went to the right place. Especially the Catechism. Especially look to the footnotes for their references.Um. But I actually looked into the Catechism after she told me that? And I also asked a priest about it? I didn't simply take her at her word?
Ah, I wasn't trying to get into the middle of anything. I just wanted to share what I had learned.
I'm saying that I'm not willing to judge the hearts of those who believe they are magnifying their God. Even if they do it in a way that is totally foreign to me.
I had a great-Aunt who walked around with her rosary all day. And she had Christ shining out of her face every time I saw her. She walked the walk. To say that this woman was idolatrous...well, let's just say I'd be scared as hell to stand in front of Holy God and start pointing fingers at that lady just because she sent up the prayers the long way around. Huh-uh. I won't do it.
I'm from the rust belt. If I ran around smooching all my brothers and sisters, far more would feel mortified than revered.
I'm sorry for your loss. I'm sure your mom doesn't need flowery words to know you love her.
[/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size]
Well, the 'missing' factor is the idea that none of the saints are dead. You love your mother. Her body is in the ground. Do you love the dead? Or the living?
Once physical death is removed as a boundary, the line becomes quite fuzzy. I prefer to acknowledge the fuzziness rather than inflict my own grey area onto someone else's grey area. That's all.
We're all grey here. And if we're not, it's just a matter of time before we get grey.
God bless
It is harmless. And lots of things strengthen people's faith and are harmless. My mother got rebaptized in a swimming pool, and says that, while she knows it didn't really mean anything, she felt SO much better for doing it. And she's Baptist.That's nothing but wishful thinking. Not only does the Roman Catholic Church encourage such practices, but almost every priest when questioned about the more ridiculous examples (so-called apparitions of Mary appearing on pieces of fruit or reflections in window glass, for example) says that it's harmless and, after all, those worshippers are well-intended and it might strengthen their faith to think this is real. AND the Church itself promotes such practices in many instances by granting indulgences for those who do it!
Neither do we give glory to Mary or the Saints. They reflect God's glory. That is all.Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Verily I say unto you,
Among them that are born of women
there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist:
notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom
of heaven is greater than he.
Hail John, full of greatness.
And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust. Romans 15:12Oh wait, Hail RootofJesse,
who's greater than John,
who was greater than Mary....
Neither do we give glory to Mary or the Saints. They reflect God's glory. That is all.
Oh YIKES!!!God rested on him; John knew the presence of the Lord even before his birth.
And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust. Romans 15:12
The Root of Jesse, then Mary and John - greater by ontological category ?
(If you mean the poster RoJ, he's in the category with John and Mary)
God for sure, Who created these and others with the skopos that was fulfilled in them.
But 'within' ontological category, these two are greater than many others - by their fulfillment of God's purpose for them, and the height of God's purpose for them to which He created and called them.
It was God who magnified them
glory to God +
Ephesians 2:3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.(snipped)
This is not everyone. Infants, the ...
... and the senile cannot sin. Lastly, the Greek word for "all", pantes, is used many times, when it doesn't mean "every one".
Neither do we give glory to Mary or the Saints. They reflect God's glory. That is all.
How does Mary being without sin contradict that Jesus was without sin???I am rather bemused when roman catholics say they don't worship Mary, when their actions prove otherwise. Anything God is, Mary is. Seems like someone's elevated Mary to a position she clearly don't belong...
Christianity: Jesus alone was without sin.
Roman Catholicism: You are wrong, Mary too, was without sin!
1 Tim 2:5 does not say Jesus alone is our mediator. And even if Jesus alone is our mediator, where does it say that his mother could not assist? Look at it like this. If I try to help my wife with a task, even though she doesn't need help, I'm still co-administering that task.Christianity: Jesus alone, is our mediator between God and man (1 Timothy 2:5).
Roman Catholicism: Wrong again, Mary is our co-mediator! You know not your Scriptures.
Mary is the Mother of God, therefore the mother of Salvation. Where does any Church teaching say that without Mary there would be no salvation?Christianity: Jesus is the author of Salvation (Hebrews 5:9). Without Jesus there would be no salvation (Acts 4:11-12).
Roman Catholicism: Mary is the mother of Salvation. Without Mary, there would be no salvation.
See above. Mary's assistance in no way says that Jesus needed assistance or that Mary's help was necessary.Christianity: Jesus alone is our Redeemer.
Roman Catholicism: Mary is our co-redeemer!
Same thing here.Christianity: Jesus is our Advocate with God (1 John 2:1).
Roman Catholicism: Mary is our co-advocate before God.
Not surely. She is.Christianity: Jesus is the King of Kings.
Roman Catholicism: Mary is the queen of heaven. If Jesus is King, then Mary, surely is Queen.
Yes. God's doing, not Mary's. You even put that little 3-letter word, so you know the difference.Christianity: Jesus Christ, having completed His earthly life, ascended to heaven.
Roman Catholicism: Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed to heaven, body and soul.
OK, Mary is the mother of whom?Christianity: Jesus Christ is God.
Roman Catholicism: Mary is the mother of God! Anyone who believes otherwise is anathema. No discussion!
Define prayer...Christianity: Pray to God in Jesus name.
Roman Catholicism: Pray to Mary.
Mary is most holy, most pure creature of God...Christianity: God is most holy, most pure.
Roman Catholicism: Mary is most holy, most pure.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?