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[Paul-martin]

Someone wrote this in a forum what reply should i give him?

So today is Good Friday. I've just been to a boring and depressing service at the church where a presentation was given with sad music and readings about how awful it must have been for Jesus.

What I don't understand is why he did it (assuming he really is the son of God

). How does dying on the cross become some magical and necessary way of taking the blame for everybody's sins and offering forgiveness? You're God, why can't you just forgive everybody anyway, and save yourself a painful death? It all seems like such symbolic crap, probably because it is.

 

[Paul-martin]

Bless the one who can help this man ...

 

[woman.at.the.well]

Someone wrote this in a forum what reply should i give him?

So today is Good Friday. I've just been to a boring and depressing service at the church where a presentation was given with sad music and readings about how awful it must have been for Jesus.

What I don't understand is why he did it (assuming he really is the son of God

). How does dying on the cross become some magical and necessary way of taking the blame for everybody's sins and offering forgiveness? You're God, why can't you just forgive everybody anyway, and save yourself a painful death? It all seems like such symbolic crap, probably because it is.

the person is actually asking questions. God will give them the answers they need, when they need to get them! Bless you brother for your kindness and caring heart for the lost.

 

[dvd_holc]

who is asking?

 

[dvd_holc]

Someone wrote this in a forum what reply should i give him?

So today is Good Friday. I've just been to a boring and depressing service at the church where a presentation was given with sad music and readings about how awful it must have been for Jesus.

What I don't understand is why he did it (assuming he really is the son of God

). How does dying on the cross become some magical and necessary way of taking the blame for everybody's sins and offering forgiveness? You're God, why can't you just forgive everybody anyway, and save yourself a painful death? It all seems like such symbolic crap, probably because it is.

The praise is to God...so give all your passion to God.

The universe functions on death bringing life. We first cut of a living thing to eat it which it gives us life. And, God's way is by his grace to give us life. We began life with as a gift, and we begin our life in God's kingdom through God's grace. Ultimately, justice had to repayed...and God loves so much that he had mercy to take the penalty on himself for us. When we live in his kingdom, we live in his harmony of purpose. He forsake all things that are forsaken by him...To that effect we die to many lustful things to love perfectly...without the fear of punishment from him because we want to love others fully.

 

[AllTalkNoAction]

I guess we've all heard a number of the above and won't be bothering to go and hear it again.

Jesus cricifiction didn't actually change the disciples, they went back fishing, they didn't accept the news that he was risen and even after physically seeing Jesus risen from the dead they were still just in fear, unchanged spiritually.

Similarly today people are taught that it is "the gospel" that Jesus died for our sins, but people remain unchanged.

M'r:16:9: Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
:10: And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
:11: And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
:12: After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
:13: And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
:14: Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

So, the disciples were less effective after the crucifiction than before.

The Holy Spirit was not given until Pentecost:-
Acts 2:4: And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

then they were changed.
*If* the easter sermon preached the need for that, it would be effective, but generally they don't tell the people this, so they miss the point of the crucifiction:-

Gal.3:13: Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
:14: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Jesus saves (delivers us from our state of separation from God) BY the infilling of the Holy Spirit !
- see Titus 3v5-6, Acts 2v33, 39; 11v14-18, Romans 8v8-9

 

[Robinsegg]

Someone wrote this in a forum what reply should i give him?

So today is Good Friday. I've just been to a boring and depressing service at the church where a presentation was given with sad music and readings about how awful it must have been for Jesus.

What I don't understand is why he did it (assuming he really is the son of God

). How does dying on the cross become some magical and necessary way of taking the blame for everybody's sins and offering forgiveness? You're God, why can't you just forgive everybody anyway, and save yourself a painful death? It all seems like such symbolic crap, probably because it is.

Gee, I'm sorry you had to go through that. Yeah, I can see how it would be difficult to understand, 'cause I'm still trying to understand it all. Here's what I do know:
1. We sin.
2. God can't be in the presence of sin.
3. God wants a relationship with us.
4. Sacrifice cleanses us from sin.
5. God provided a sacrifice to cleanse us so He could have a relationship with us.
6. Sacrifice is never easy.
7. Accepting His sacrifice is difficult because it requires us to set aside our pride and desire to do everything ourselves.

Something like that might answer this guy's questions, or create more.

Rachel

 

[LilLamb219]

The person questioning does not fully realize that Jesus is God and that God has chosen to save us. Someone needed to die and reconcile us back to God and the only one to do that is God Himself. Jesus died because of us, because of our sins.

 

[BoranJarami]

I would say to this person that they are corrrect in thinking that God could simply say the word and everybody would be saved. God could do this, the reason is that he doesn't want to. No this may sound like God is harsh and un careing, but this is not true because the reason God doesn't want to do this is because he loves us.

The autimatic response to this is: huh? If he loved us he would save us! But this is a shallow view of love. God's love for us is perfect and deep. For his love, it could not be forced. Forcing your love on someone would be like creating a robot and then loveing it. For God's perfect love, we had to choose it.

At first this acceptence was a matter of following the instructions that God gave us to imrove our lives (such as the command to not eat the fruit). Man was allowed to freely accept to follow these laws or not. Unfortunatly man chose not and as a result messed up his life.

The problem with man is that he does not always see when he is in trouble. God knew this, and in order to perswade man from not falling away he preordained that anyone who would not accept his loveing guidence would be punished.

As a result, what we ended up with was a bunch of people (all of them to be precise) that were destined for hell. God could have simply saved everybody from hell, but since man could not see that without God's guidence he was in trouble this would mean that every body would still be apart from God and liveing miserably and it would have been forceing God's love on man. The only solution that would
allow man the choice to accept, would free them of the debt unto hell, and cause them to follow God's loveing guidence was to pay the debt himself.

 

[HumbleUnderdog]

What I get out of this story is that according to the bible, no one could show the law that Jesus had committed any crime or gone against any law,yet everyone wanted him dead and done with. So Pilate allowed him to be executed without Jesus committing any crime. He had done many miracouls and healed many people from diseases and helped so many people with their hard times. And while he was being executed he very well had the power ti do some miracles such as not feel any pain from the execution, or asked for angels to take him down from the cross, etc. He went through every torment and pain that any other human would go through at the time for being completely perfect and obedient in a perfect God, that he literallyt had no right to be tormented in such way. Yet he endured the pain and suffering that resulted from humankind's 'natural' mentality and actually went through such torment in the form of any phyisical, material human being, from the accusations of the exact same animal (human) that he was. And then 3 days later he came back from being dead. How can that be explained except from some supernatural thing?

 

[Paul-martin]

Thank you for the replies, i ahve posted send them to him now, god bless you all ..

 

[return2eden]

Someone wrote this in a forum what reply should i give him?

So today is Good Friday. I've just been to a boring and depressing service at the church where a presentation was given with sad music and readings about how awful it must have been for Jesus.

What I don't understand is why he did it (assuming he really is the son of God). How does dying on the cross become some magical and necessary way of taking the blame for everybody's sins and offering forgiveness? You're God, why can't you just forgive everybody anyway, and save yourself a painful death? It all seems like such symbolic crap, probably because it is.

Amen for searchers! Here is what the Bible has taught me concerning Christ. Jesus dying on the cross was part of the plan of redemption. The sin of Eve which led to Adam’s sin in the garden of Eden did not catch God off guard. He had a plan already. Gen.3:15 is where we find the first promise of a Saviour. “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” God will restore our hatred towards sin by Jesus bruising the serpent’s head with the cross and in so doing will He Himself be bruised. Hatred to sin was lost by committing sin so a Restorer was needed. The way this would happen was for Jesus, the only one worthy, to be sent as the payment for sin because Rom.6:23 says “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Jesus was sent to the world to pay the debt of sin. He was “the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (Rev. 13:8) Did Jesus die because He was obligated? Why did he do it? Heb.12:2, “Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.” The point of Jesus coming to earth was not only to die but to live. His purpose was to show us how to live righteously. 1 Peter 2:21-22 states that Christ “suffered for us, leaving us an example that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin.“ Not only merely right doing but even a righteous motivation for being a Christian for John 8:29 says that Jesus did “always those things that please him.” Always means all the time. Dying on the cross was another step Jesus had to fulfill in this plan. He is God and saving and forgiving everyone without having someone pay the penalty of death would be contradicting His own character and law. How could God say, “keep my commandments. Oh yeah, but when I break one, I’ll just disregard it”, and expect the whole world to keep them. God would be cheating and all His creations would see the kind of God they are serving and agree with Satan in believing the lie that God is unjust in His dealings with sin. We would be serving a selfish God, who makes excuses for sin, just like we do. It would be committing a sin and this is why Jesus chose not to save Himself from the death on the cross. That would be yielding to His will and not doing the Father’s will because He previously said in Luke 22:42, “nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” Let us remember that without the life of Jesus, there would have not been His death or resurrection. The power of a Christian is not only found in the death of Christ but also in His resurrection. There had to have been a life for there to be a death and resurrection. We serve a God who has conquered temptation, sin, and death in the flesh and by Him “we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.”(Rom.8:37)


May we all continue to learn from Christ’s life and death.