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actually the opposite is true. i never said that we can always detect design. we can detect design only in some objects that are clearly the product of design. like watch a car or an airplane. you dont?
we can detect design only in some objects that are clearly the product of design.
Show us one of these cars and I'll tell you if I conclude design.so if you will see a car evolving naturally in front of your eyes you will still conclude design?
so can you tell me how you detect design when you see a watch? i also detect design in a watch because it has a clear evidence of purpose- to say the time.The opposite is not true. Your whole schtick is that we can detect design simply by looking at something, but when asked to demonstrate how this works your answer was "I can't".
How do you know they are designed? If you are relying on prior knowledge then you are not detecting design. If you have no prior knowledge but can detect design you should be able to use the same technique to identify any object that has been designed, yet you were unable to identify the designed waterfall. That's tacit admission that your argument is worthless and wrong.
how can we detect design in a non-existent object? And I'd like an answer to that question - how can we detect design in a non-existent object?
what is the problem? if i will see a self replicating car i will conclude design since a self replicating car cant evolve by a natural process. see? its not that hard to talk about theoretical cases.
It's not that the smartest person on Earth couldn't, in principle, do it; it's that they have neither the time nor the resources. Evolution works with whole populations interacting with whole ecosystems over many times the lifetime of any human. This is how a trial-and-error process can accumulate results of such functional complexity....why you believe that a natural process can made something that even the smartest man on earth cant do?
what is the problem? if i will see a self replicating car i will conclude design since a self replicating car cant evolve by a natural process. see? its not that hard to talk about theoretical cases.
so can you tell me how you detect design when you see a watch? i also detect design in a watch because it has a clear evidence of purpose- to say the time.
I think you're trying to say that you would use pre-existing knowledge of self-replicating cars. As I already made clear, that is not detecting design. I want to know how you detect design.what is the problem? if i will see a self replicating car i will conclude design since a self replicating car cant evolve by a natural process. see? its not that hard to talk about theoretical cases.
That is not how you detect design in a watch. Purpose is not an evidence of design. You infer design from evidences of manufacture.so can you tell me how you detect design when you see a watch? i also detect design in a watch because it has a clear evidence of purpose- to say the time.
If I were a YEC this is where I would come in and say:That is not how you detect design in a watch. Purpose is not an evidence of design. You infer design from evidences of manufacture.
so you cant conclude design if you will see a watch without manufacturer's name inscribed on the back?My watch has the manufacturer's name inscribed on the back, along with other information, for example that it has a Japanese movement and was cased in China. It is this fact that convinces me that the watch was designed.
as i said- i cant in the waterfall case but i can in the watch\car case. very simple.That is not how you detect design in a watch. Purpose is not an evidence of design. You infer design from evidences of manufacture.
Let me point you back to my waterfall question - how would you go about deciding which was man made?
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