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How could a creation believer look at ANY of the wonders of creation, and workings and not see the hand of God!?I believe you, but still you have no way of objectively identifying intelligent design. You might just as well say that everything is "designed" even those objects which were produced by natural forces.
But then, of course, you are no longer an IDist, merely a theist.
That is their privilege, but the science itself makes no such statement.God is not a barely detectable insignificant dull witted designer. His creation yells out in wonder. I think the issue is that some folks who like to omit Him from their lives and knowledge want to attribute the wonders of creation to fluke and evolution and happenstance etc.
I don't know. I see the hand of God in conceiving the marvelous process of evolutionHow could a creation believer look at ANY of the wonders of creation, and workings and not see the hand of God!?
That is their privilege, but the science itself makes no such statement.
Me too, but in doing so I do not cast off the obvious truth of Scripture and creation. and give ALL the credit/glory to His gift of the ability to adapt.I don't know. I see the hand of God in conceiving the marvelous process of evolution
No, that is just offensive. the theory of evolution itself says nothing about whether God is the cause of it all or not.Staements are seen in the sum package of words and claims offered. Rather than seek to explore the wonders of creation, they have sought to bury them with witty invented 'anything BUT God' wild scenarios and possibilities.
Yes, the discussions on this board are rarely, if ever, about the existence of God and his authorship of our being. Most often they are about the Bible and how a particular minority Protestant sect insists upon reading it.Me too, but in doing so I do not cast off the obvious truth of Scripture and creation. and give ALL the credit/glory to His gift of the ability to adapt.
Rather than seek to explore the wonders of creation
Nothing circular about observing objectively what is unequivocally designed!
It eliminates THE God of the bible. It makes Genesis seem untrue. If God created man and then woman from the man (you believe that yes or no?) then obviously all evolving that mankind underwent was after that fact.No, that is just offensive. the theory of evolution itself says nothing about whether God is the cause of it all or not.
It eliminates THE God of the bible. It makes Genesis seem untrue. If God created man and then woman from the man (you believe that yes or no?) then obviously all evolving that mankind underwent was after that fact.
Yes, the discussions on this board are rarely, if ever, about the existence of God and his authorship of our being. Most often they are about the Bible and how a particular minority Protestant sect insists upon reading it.
That depends on the 'we'. As for me and my house...no flippin way.And we can't have that, can we?
Yes we look up in wonder at God and His amazing power. Evos look up and feel equal to bugs and see a fluke universe with no reason or rhyme.Do creationists really do this though? Creationism seems to begin and end with "Goddidit", so what "exploring" is actually taking place?
Yes we look up in wonder at God and His amazing power.
Not at all. Unless sanity and common sense and intelligence is circular inside your mind?You assume that gears must be designed so you can say, "All gears must have been designed," which leads you to assume that gears must have been designed, so you conclude that all gears must have been designed...
Nah, that's not circular at all, is it...?
That's not what you said though. You said this, "Rather than seek to explore the wonders of creation...".
What is the "exploring" that is happening here?
Not anything at all. It is either true or not. It was not given as some secret coded message. It was echoed throughout the bible.No, not untrue, just not literal history.
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