Some random discussion on evolution...

[xianghua]

Except that evolution is falsifiable.

how? by finding human with a dino fossil?

 

[xianghua]

No you can't. Your detection of design in this instance is merely equivocation over the words "gears" and "motors"

again: why the gears i showed here arent real gears? i think that this is the problem with your position and why you reject id.

 

[pitabread]

again: why the gears i showed here arent real gears? i think that this is the problem with your position and why you reject id.

Labeling something is not a design detection method.

 

[Speedwell]

so you dont see design here?:

i think that many people will disagree.

(image from White Plastic Gears Loop Stock Footage Video (100% Royalty-free) 3054055 | Shutterstock)

Not because they are gears, but because they appear to be made of molded plastic, which would be evidence of design if that appearance proved to be correct. Just being gears is not, in itself, evidence of design.

 

[Speedwell]

again: why the gears i showed here arent real gears? i think that this is the problem with your position and why you reject id.

They are real gears, but that is not evidence that they were designed.

 

[xianghua]

Labeling something is not a design detection method.

so if we can detect design according to your criteria? give me your main criteria.

 

[Speedwell]

so if we can detect design according to your criteria? give me your main criteria.

Evidence of intentional manufacture; mold lines, tool marks, use of refined or non-natural materials, etc.

 

[xianghua]

They are real gears

tell it to others here. it seems that they dont think so.

 

[Speedwell]

tell it to others here. it seems that they dont think so.

Everybody here thinks they are real gears, it's just that nobody but you thinks that means they must have been designed.

 

[pitabread]

so if we can detect design according to your criteria? give me your main criteria.

Design detection is typically based on pre-existing knowledge of how things are created.

If you can explain how things in biology were designed, then you might be able to start developing a criteria for detecting them.

 

[Kylie]

irrelevant. id is only about the abillity to detect design in nature. nothing more. and we indeed can detect design in nature as we seen with gears and spinning motors.

So you assume that gears=design, and thus you conclude that gears in nature must have been designed. And since you have concluded that they were designed, you use that as proof that you were correct when you first assumed that gears=design.

Do you even understand what circular logic is?

 

[dad]

So you assume that gears=design, and thus you conclude that gears in nature must have been designed. And since you have concluded that they were designed, you use that as proof that you were correct when you first assumed that gears=design.

Do you even understand what circular logic is?

Except...gears are designed obviously. last time you found several in sync gears in your rock garden?

 

[Speedwell]

Except...gears are designed obviously. last time you found several in sync gears in your rock garden?

Rock gardens are designed, too.

 

[SelfSim]

Except...gears are designed obviously. last time you found several in sync gears in your rock garden?

Nonsense .. I also find fern leaves in my garden.

 

[dad]

Rock gardens are designed, too.

Great. But some peole could get confuse dand claim nature made the rocks in that formation or whatever. If several in sync gears are in the garden, there is no doubt.

 

[pitabread]

nevermind

 

[Kylie]

Except...gears are designed obviously. last time you found several in sync gears in your rock garden?

Again, the circular logic...

 

[Speedwell]

Great. But some peole could get confuse dand claim nature made the rocks in that formation or whatever. If several in sync gears are in the garden, there is no doubt.

And if nature made the rocks, they still could have been designed. That's the nature of the design hypothesis--it's unfalsifiable. I can claim the rocks were designed and you can never prove me wrong.

 

[Ophiolite]

Do you even understand what circular logic is?

Hmmm. In a roundabout way.

 

[xianghua]

Design detection is typically based on pre-existing knowledge of how things are created.

so take a look at this ufo photo:

say that that object is real for the sake of the argument. can you say why you conclude design?

(image from wiki)