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Some questions for Christians who accept evolution

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I don't care if they wrote It in Swahili, the One I use is English, the only Translation God intends for us to use today.

So people that do not speak or read English, but Swahili, are just out of luck????? And have no chance to become saved because they don't read or speak English????? Rather a bigotry stance if you ask me. I guess you would be in trouble if you were born in Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Mozambique or the Democratic Republic of the Congo then.

Your English Bible is just a "translation" of the Hebrew - the original language. Not the original.
 
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So people that do not speak or read English, but Swahili, are just out of luck?????
I do believe they have the KJV in Swahili now.

I could be wrong though.
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And have no chance to become saved because they don't read or speak English?????
No.
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Rather a bigotry stance if you ask me.
You're the one who thought it up.
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I guess you would be in trouble if you were born in Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Mozambique or the Democratic Republic of the Congo then.
Why?
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Your English Bible is just a "translation" of the Hebrew - the original language. Not the original.
What happened to the [Koine] Greek?
 
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I do believe they have the KJV in Swahili now.

I could be wrong though.No.You're the one who thought it up.Why?What happened to the [Koine] Greek?

Irrelevant.

I don't care if they wrote It in Swahili, the One I use is English, the only Translation God intends for us to use today.

So whether one is in Swahili doesn't matter since it isn't in English?

The real problem with your stance is that Hebrew words can have several meanings - and so you must trust human translators to have picked the best meaning.

Such as "hayah" - they claim "Leah was tender eyed; but Rachel was beautiful and well favoured." Ge 29:17

Yet we find the true meaning when we look up the etimology of the word.

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/hayetah_1961.htm

Interlinear: "were weak Rachel become was beautiful of form"

Rachel was a young girl - and became beautiful of form as she passed into adulthood, so that she was desired. Hayah "become, to fall out, come to pass." I.e. it came to pass that as she became an adult, she became beautiful of form.

Only in Genesis 1:2 do they still incorrectly translate it, because of even their pre-concieved beliefs. You don't need to read Hebrew to pick up an Interlinear Bible and research the meanings of words, to search diligently. So if only the 1611 version is good, we can throw away the original texts as being useless - even if the 1611 version would not exist without them? I'd say the 1611 version, being archaic and out of times, is less relevant today than one in our modern language - as long as they stay faithful to the original meaning of the words. Which is our responsibility to search diligently - not theirs.
 
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I do believe they have the KJV in Swahili now.

I could be wrong though.

Considering that King James didn't speak Swahili, I find it likely that you are quite wrong.

I'm sure someone took the KJV, and translated it as best they could into Swahili, But the end result could only accurately be called a Swahili Bible, not the KJV.
 
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Such as "hayah" - they claim "Leah was tender eyed; but Rachel was beautiful and well favoured." Ge 29:17
Leah had bedroom eyes; but Rachel was a knockout!
 
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I'm sure someone took the KJV, and translated it as best they could into Swahili, But the end result could only accurately be called a Swahili Bible, not the KJV.
And you're certainly entitled to your opinion.
 
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And you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

Not opinion, AV, but facts.

King James did not speak Swahili -- fact.

King James never authorized the Bible to be written in Swahili -- fact.

Therefore, any Bible written in Swahili is not the KJV -- fact.
 
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I have some questions for Christians who have accepted the theory of evolution as being the truth, rather than a straightforward reading of the biblical account of creation...
  • If the Genesis account of creation isn’t true, what do you make of the following part of the ten commandments?
Exo 20:8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days you shall labour and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
  • When did sin come into God’s creation and how does that relate to death and suffering in the world?

  • If death came before sin then it wasn’t the penalty for sin. So, if there wasn’t a literal Adam who brought sin and death to God’s creation, then what was the purpose of Jesus’s sacrifice on the cross?

  • In Mark 10:6, Jesus says this, "But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female.” So here we have God incarnate telling us directly that mankind was right there at the beginning of creation. How do you reconcile that with the evolutionary idea of billions of years?

  • The evolutionists have various hypotheses for the ultimate fate of the universe. Which one do you accept as the most likely, or is the second coming of Jesus a part of the Bible that you still accept as being the truth?
My opinion...
I believe the creation stories of Gen 1 and 2 are beautiful poetry...

Q. If the Genesis account of creation isn’t true, what do you make of the following part of the ten commandments?
A. It makes sense it tells us that our life is not all work and it helps to bring our focus to God even if it is only for one day of the week.

Q. When did sin come into God’s creation and how does that relate to death and suffering in the world?
A. It is human nature and suffering is our way of sharing in the death of Jesus and his resurrection.

Q. If death came before sin then it wasn’t the penalty for sin. So, if there wasn’t a literal Adam who brought sin and death to God’s creation, then what was the purpose of Jesus’s sacrifice on the cross?
A. I believe the incarnation was just as important as the his death and resurrection. Jesus taught us how we should be human and how we should be/treat/love all of his creation.

Q. In Mark 10:6, Jesus says this, "But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female.” So here we have God incarnate telling us directly that mankind was right there at the beginning of creation. How do you reconcile that with the evolutionary idea of billions of years?
A. I don't see an issue here at all I believe we (as in all creation) were created in Gods image and we there at lets say the 'big bang' whether we were in in this form or not in incarnation really doesn't matter. Why wouldn't God create things that create? I believe it was our "I amness" that was at the beginning of creation and the way those words are used are a metaphor for that existence.

Q. The evolutionists have various hypotheses for the ultimate fate of the universe. Which one do you accept as the most likely, or is the second coming of Jesus a part of the Bible that you still accept as being the truth?
A. First of all I am not anthropocentric so I don't believe the universe was created for me, I believe I am simply part of it just like everything else in creation. Jesus tells us we will never know the day or hour of his coming again. What the coming will be like is deep within the cloud of the unknowing.

Do with this what you will...

Blessings, Gordon
 
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I believe the creation stories of Gen 1 and 2 are beautiful poetry...

Q. If the Genesis account of creation isn’t true, what do you make of the following part of the ten commandments?
A. It makes sense it tells us that our life is not all work and it helps to bring our focus to God even if it is only for one day of the week.

Q. When did sin come into God’s creation and how does that relate to death and suffering in the world?
A. It is human nature and suffering is our way of sharing in the death of Jesus and his resurrection.

Q. If death came before sin then it wasn’t the penalty for sin. So, if there wasn’t a literal Adam who brought sin and death to God’s creation, then what was the purpose of Jesus’s sacrifice on the cross?
A. I believe the incarnation was just as important as the his death and resurrection. Jesus taught us how we should be human and how we should be/treat/love all of his creation.

Q. In Mark 10:6, Jesus says this, "But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female.” So here we have God incarnate telling us directly that mankind was right there at the beginning of creation. How do you reconcile that with the evolutionary idea of billions of years?
A. I don't see an issue here at all I believe we (as in all creation) were created in Gods image and we there at lets say the 'big bang' whether we were in in this form or not in incarnation really doesn't matter. Why wouldn't God create things that create? I believe it was our "I amness" that was at the beginning of creation and the way those words are used are a metaphor for that existence.

Q. The evolutionists have various hypotheses for the ultimate fate of the universe. Which one do you accept as the most likely, or is the second coming of Jesus a part of the Bible that you still accept as being the truth?
A. First of all I am not anthropocentric so I don't believe the universe was created for me, I believe I am simply part of it just like everything else in creation. Jesus tells us we will never know the day or hour of his coming again. What the coming will be like is deep within the cloud of the unknowing.

Do with this what you will...

Blessings, Gordon


* Moses didn't speak Hebrew, Hebrew wasn't in existence yet.

* Moses was a reformer of previous practices of the descendants of Abraham who himself was raised with religious beliefs from beyond the Euphrates.

* We can only extrapolate what the previous beliefs were from the OT books which date to the 6th century BC.

* The authors of Genesis make no claim if divine inspiration, the people who put Jesus through a trumped up trial and tried to kill him were quite capable of error!
 
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Au contraire.

Abraham was the first Hebrew.

In the 6th century BC Abram was called the first Hebrew by the exiled redactors who wrote in retrospect but that doesn't mean he spoke Hebrew silly. Paleo-Hebrew is a variant of the Phoenician script called by convention the Proto-Canaanite alphabet. Abram would have spoken Nilo-Saharan languages. Paleo-Hebrew dates to the 10th century BC.
 
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In the 6th century BC Abram was called the first Hebrew by the exiled redactors who wrote in retrospect but that doesn't mean he spoke Hebrew silly.
Ever heard of the Tower of Babel?

God could make Abram speak Swahili, if He wanted to.
 
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In the 6th century BC Abram was called the first Hebrew by the exiled redactors who wrote in retrospect but that doesn't mean he spoke Hebrew silly. Paleo-Hebrew is a variant of the Phoenician script called by convention the Proto-Canaanite alphabet. Abram would have spoken Nilo-Saharan languages. Paleo-Hebrew dates to the 10th century BC.

You're dealing with a man who thinks Adam and Eve spoke King James' English.
 
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