Some questions for Christians who accept evolution

[Not_By_Chance]

how poorly American's do on science scores

It all depends by what standard one is judging by I would think.

 

[Colter]

I agree that it was meant to be literal, despite what some people say, but you need to insert the word "some" between "obveously [sic]" and "thinking." Creation scientists and people like me who trust their judgement have no trouble at all in reconciling the account of the creation of the universe in Genesis with what we see all around us in nature. It's only those who reject the findings of the creation scientists but still wish to believe the Bible who have any problems with the glaring incompatibilities of the two accounts of how things came to be, but often they won't admit it and instead, try to relegate Genesis to the status of myth, even trying to make it seem that Jesus was an evolutionist, when clearly He gave no such indication in what He said and actually strongly implied the opposite when He said, "But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.'" Mark 10:6, creation being the six days as stated in Genesis. Man was the culmination of God's creation and was made to have dominion over all other creatures right from the outset, not billions of years later via an evolved ape, "Gen 1:27 So God created human beings in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
Gen 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground." Notice that man was the only one of God's creatures to be made in the "image of God" Man is a special creation, distinct from any other creature because only man has something special from God that no other creature has. Look around and you will see that this is so. The gulf between man and everything else is huge, almost unbelievably so. I don't care if the majority of scientists don't believe this - that's their choice. They will only find out if they were right when they die and face God's judgement. The fact that some scientists, including former scientists who used to believe/teach evolution have changed their minds is good enough for me.

But Genesis is a pseudo biographical retrospective written long after the exaggerated history that it portrays, it dosent claim to be written by God rather it speaks figuratively as if God is speaking. Evolution is a fact.

 

[bhsmte]

It all depends by what standard one is judging by I would think.

Same standard the rest of the world is judged on.

 

[Colter]

I was trying to find the quote about Adam and Eve that you quoted, but I couldn't find it. I just wanted to say that Adam and Eve weren't supposed to redeem anything as far as I am aware. Or have I missed something important?

There is much, much more to the Adam and Eve story. 6 day creation comes from the ancient story of the pair spending the first 6 days servaying the garden prepaired for them by the inhabitants of the earth. On the 7th day they rested. Also the ancient creation stories of the sudden appearance of the sun comes from traditions of the onetime sudden emergence of the world from a dense space cloud of minute matter which had long obscured both sun and moon.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Today's science is antibiblical and has an agenda to sterilize as much of the Bible as it can before the Antichrist shows up.

Science should be teaching that obedience to godly parents is the key to longevity.[VERSE=Ephesians 6:2-3,KJV][VERSENUM]2[/VERSENUM] Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise [VERSENUM]3[/VERSENUM] That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.[/VERSE]

I am more worried about the apostate church than I am worried about science.

 

[AV1611VET]

There is much, much more to the Adam and Eve story. 6 day creation comes from the ancient story of the pair spending the first 6 days servaying the garden prepaired for them by the inhabitants of the earth. On the 7th day they rested. Also the ancient creation stories of the sudden appearance of the sun comes from traditions of the onetime sudden emergence of the world from a dense space cloud of minute matter which had long obscured both sun and moon.

Well, Colter, I can say this much from experience.

You're safe here espousing your beliefs, because the educated elite here only go after the Bible.

They'll place our beliefs under a microscope; from the Garden of Eden to the Sin Nature to the Flood to the Second Coming; while even denying the Jews were in Egypt and Jesus existed.

But they won't bother you at all.

You say GOD BLESS AMERICA and they'll be all over you with a list of 35 questions like a hound after a rabbit.

But you mention the Central and Superuniverses, and you won't hear a single clipboard snap.

 

[Seeking Salvation]

I love science and though I am not a scientist, I have found myself doing some tests for the better sciences of things in a hobby of mine (which ironically is reptile care)

Evolution is an interesting one, and I had this discussion the other day, indivudually in sciences, (evoloution, and natural selection) (when you look at both) are not friendly with each other, AT ALL!
Even the fossil record has never once shown one species (turning into another) this is important to look at.
You will find none, what you will find is species, within species, that share similarities, but never once has a dinosaur been found to have turned into a bird in fossil records.

When-ever I refer to evolution, I am often speaking about the time frame in which a species has been on the planet, I do not deny, some species would have had to have moved, further, south, or north, in an attempt to recompensate for survival losses, after the earth has been hit with many astronomical events and natural disasters.

So to a degree I beleive it is possible (some species) may have evolved into differing habitats, and evolved to use those habitats a little better, but either way you look at it, biblically, or scientifically, there is still a big empty gap in our being here, and the fact is, the odds of us being here are the equivilent to winning the lottery, every single day, for the last how-ever billion years, I think we can all agree, that's pretty astronomical, and something else has to have driven that force.

I think I cleaned the floor with a good amount of atheists the other day.
People say there is no evidence of God, there is pleanty of evidence for God.
Heck, even the story of Noah, geological findings, will show, that there was a great flood around those biblical times, and more interestingly, skulls of giants are still found today, (even goliaths was supposedly found in the place the battle of David took place with a dint in his skull, his tomb is in israel.

So much for a book of fairy tailes eh?

 

[crjmurray]

I love science and though I am not a scientist, I have found myself doing some tests for the better sciences of things in a hobby of mine (which ironically is reptile care)

Evolution is an interesting one, and I had this discussion the other day, indivudually in sciences, (evoloution, and natural selection) (when you look at both) are not friendly with each other, AT ALL!
Even the fossil record has never once shown one species (turning into another) this is important to look at.
You will find none, what you will find is species, within species, that share similarities, but never once has a dinosaur been found to have turned into a bird in fossil records.

When-ever I refer to evolution, I am often speaking about the time frame in which a species has been on the planet, I do not deny, some species would have had to have moved, further, south, or north, in an attempt to recompensate for survival losses, after the earth has been hit with many astronomical events and natural disasters.

So to a degree I beleive it is possible (some species) may have evolved into differing habitats, and evolved to use those habitats a little better, but either way you look at it, biblically, or scientifically, there is still a big empty gap in our being here, and the fact is, the odds of us being here are the equivilent to winning the lottery, every single day, for the last how-ever billion years, I think we can all agree, that's pretty astronomical, and something else has to have driven that force.

I think I cleaned the floor with a good amount of atheists the other day.
People say there is no evidence of God, there is pleanty of evidence for God.
Heck, even the story of Noah, geological findings, will show, that there was a great flood around those biblical times, and more interestingly, skulls of giants are still found today, (even goliaths was supposedly found in the place the battle of David took place with a dint in his skull, his tomb is in israel.

So much for a book of fairy tailes eh?

Lol 4/5 on the Poe scale. Good job.

 

[Colter]

Well, Colter, I can say this much from experience.

You're safe here espousing your beliefs, because the educated elite here only go after the Bible.

They'll place our beliefs under a microscope; from the Garden of Eden to the Sin Nature to the Flood to the Second Coming; while even denying the Jews were in Egypt and Jesus existed.

But they won't bother you at all.

You say GOD BLESS AMERICA and they'll be all over you with a list of 35 questions like a hound after a rabbit.

But you mention the Central and Superuniverses, and you won't hear a single clipboard snap.

I've noticed that, I'm no fun for them. And as strange as it may seem I will defend the Bible for what it is, I will defend the spiritual and factual truths therin from attacks from Atheist who attempt to exploit vulnerabilities. How I wish my fellow disciples in Jesus would put their faith squarely on the Father and Son with the understanding that human writings are imperfect, that revelation is relative to the age and severely regulated by the revelatory mandates.


102:7.6 "The God-knowing individual is not one who is blind to the difficulties or unmindful of the obstacles which stand in the way of finding God in the maze of superstition, tradition, and materialistic tendencies of modern times. He has encountered all these deterrents and triumphed over them, surmounted them by living faith, and attained the highlands of spiritual experience in spite of them. But it is true that many who are inwardly sure about God fear to assert such feelings of certainty because of the multiplicity and cleverness of those who assemble objections and magnify difficulties about believing in God. It requires no great depth of intellect to pick flaws, ask questions, or raise objections. But it does require brilliance of mind to answer these questions and solve these difficulties; faith certainty is the greatest technique for dealing with all such superficial contentions.

102:7.7 If science, philosophy, or sociology dares to become dogmatic in contending with the prophets of true religion, then should God-knowing men reply to such unwarranted dogmatism with that more farseeing dogmatism of the certainty of personal spiritual experience, “I know what I have experienced because I am a son of I AM.” If the personal experience of a faither is to be challenged by dogma, then this faith-born son of the experiencible Father may reply with that unchallengeable dogma, the statement of his actual sonship with the Universal Father." UB 1955

 

[TLK Valentine]

I took the time to answer your post, accusing me of evasion and doublespeak wasn't needed.

Apologies. I'm sure your explanation was meant to be quite impressive and helpful.

Allowing children to learn from mistakes dosnt imply a will for rebellion.

That depends on whether or not a lesson is forthcoming. Are Satan and the "rebel" angels expected to come back into the fh old, no hard feelings?

In my theology there are trillions of other inhabited worlds under the jurisdiction of creator Sons that have not suffered default. We don't all have to learn everything the hard way.

Sounds like we simply drew the short straw.

As for the I AM, God is timeless.

Meaning He knew how it ends even before there was a beginning.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Would you prefer He had made robots, instead of given free will?

That doesn't come until heaven.

Absolutely nothing. It is their knowledge of evil that makes a need for redemption. At first they were given only the knowledge of good. It is knowledge (mind) into the image we were made. When we gained the knowledge of evil through trickery - which we were not meant to have - but still given the choice - knowledge we could not handle without Him - as angels could not either. It is that knowledge that gives rise to the statement: "they have become like one of us, knowing both good and evil." Before we only knew good.

Therefore mind, thought, is the image we were made into - He is not a physical thing at all.

The bottom line remains that there was nothing that needed redeeming until the "redeemers" entered the story... they were written in strictly to fail.

 

[Colter]

I love science and though I am not a scientist, I have found myself doing some tests for the better sciences of things in a hobby of mine (which ironically is reptile care)

Evolution is an interesting one, and I had this discussion the other day, indivudually in sciences, (evoloution, and natural selection) (when you look at both) are not friendly with each other, AT ALL!
Even the fossil record has never once shown one species (turning into another) this is important to look at.
You will find none, what you will find is species, within species, that share similarities, but never once has a dinosaur been found to have turned into a bird in fossil records.

When-ever I refer to evolution, I am often speaking about the time frame in which a species has been on the planet, I do not deny, some species would have had to have moved, further, south, or north, in an attempt to recompensate for survival losses, after the earth has been hit with many astronomical events and natural disasters.

So to a degree I beleive it is possible (some species) may have evolved into differing habitats, and evolved to use those habitats a little better, but either way you look at it, biblically, or scientifically, there is still a big empty gap in our being here, and the fact is, the odds of us being here are the equivilent to winning the lottery, every single day, for the last how-ever billion years, I think we can all agree, that's pretty astronomical, and something else has to have driven that force.

I think I cleaned the floor with a good amount of atheists the other day.
People say there is no evidence of God, there is pleanty of evidence for God.
Heck, even the story of Noah, geological findings, will show, that there was a great flood around those biblical times, and more interestingly, skulls of giants are still found today, (even goliaths was supposedly found in the place the battle of David took place with a dint in his skull, his tomb is in israel.

So much for a book of fairy tailes eh?

I love science and though I am not a scientist, I have found myself doing some tests for the better sciences of things in a hobby of mine (which ironically is reptile care)

Evolution is an interesting one, and I had this discussion the other day, indivudually in sciences, (evoloution, and natural selection) (when you look at both) are not friendly with each other, AT ALL!
Even the fossil record has never once shown one species (turning into another) this is important to look at.
You will find none, what you will find is species, within species, that share similarities, but never once has a dinosaur been found to have turned into a bird in fossil records.

When-ever I refer to evolution, I am often speaking about the time frame in which a species has been on the planet, I do not deny, some species would have had to have moved, further, south, or north, in an attempt to recompensate for survival losses, after the earth has been hit with many astronomical events and natural disasters.

So to a degree I beleive it is possible (some species) may have evolved into differing habitats, and evolved to use those habitats a little better, but either way you look at it, biblically, or scientifically, there is still a big empty gap in our being here, and the fact is, the odds of us being here are the equivilent to winning the lottery, every single day, for the last how-ever billion years, I think we can all agree, that's pretty astronomical, and something else has to have driven that force.

I think I cleaned the floor with a good amount of atheists the other day.
People say there is no evidence of God, there is pleanty of evidence for God.
Heck, even the story of Noah, geological findings, will show, that there was a great flood around those biblical times, and more interestingly, skulls of giants are still found today, (even goliaths was supposedly found in the place the battle of David took place with a dint in his skull, his tomb is in israel.

So much for a book of fairy tailes eh?

The sudden mutations in evolution would be impossible to find in the fossil record. In fact fossils themselves are rare because the eliments of preservation have be aligned perfectly.

 

[Colter]

Apologies. I'm sure your explanation was meant to be quite impressive and helpful.



That depends on whether or not a lesson is forthcoming. Are Satan and the "rebel" angels expected to come back into the fh old, no hard feelings?



Sounds like we simply drew the short straw.



Meaning He knew how it ends even before there was a beginning.

It means the Infinate, Eternal I AM is already at the end, he is everywhere and every when.

Satan and Lucifer were taken into custody while the Son was on earth, their fate is eternal annihilation. Some followers repented and are on a regiment of rehabilitation.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It means the Infinate, Eternal I AM is already at the end, he is everywhere and every when.

Poetic, if a bit redundant -- God knew the end since before the beginning, exactly as I said.

Satan and Lucifer were taken into custody while the Son was on earth, their fate is eternal annihilation. Some followers repented and are on a regiment of rehabilitation.

"Custody"? As in they were running loose before and now are safely locked away? No more harm to anyone?

 

[mark kennedy]

Traditionally, Moses is said to have written Genesis, not God.

Clearly, Moses didn't write that he died. The Old Testament was the responsibility of the Levites. Moses, by the way was a Levite.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

Evolution is a fact

I agree that micro-evolution is a fact (small changes within kinds - creation scientists have no problem with that whatsoever), but I totally reject the notion of macro-evolution (one kind changing into a totally different kind).

 

[Armoured]

I agree that micro-evolution is a fact (small changes within kinds - creation scientists have no problem with that whatsoever), but I totally reject the notion of macro-evolution (one kind changing into a totally different kind).

Because walking across town is possible, but walking across a country is ludicrous.

 

[Not_By_Chance]

The sudden mutations in evolution would be impossible to find in the fossil record. In fact fossils themselves are rare because the eliments of preservation have be aligned perfectly.

So if there is no evidence of transition in the fossil record, how can it be of any support to the evolution story? It's just a faith-based idea, another kind of religion if you will and a poorly-supported one at that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because walking across town is possible, but walking across a country is ludicrous.

Nobody walks across the country, unless they're doing it for show-and-tell.

 

[Armoured]

So if there is no evidence of transition in the fossil record, how can it be of any support to the evolution story? It's just a faith-based idea, another kind of religion if you will and a poorly-supported one at that.

There's tonnes of evidence of transition. Literally tonnes.