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Some don't understand Romans 3:31. Here is a challenge.

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What you posted above doesn't make sense because of your pro law stance and view on what is sin for the Christian. You clearly promote righteousness by the law in that you say its willful sin if the Sabbath isn't observed.

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Rom3:31 ends a lesson that reinforces the key scriptures that teaches righteousness apart from the law. When isolated from this context this text can be intentionally misrepresented.
The NLT version show how Rom3:31 only reinforces the doctrine righteousness by faith without the law.

Christ Took Our Punishment

Rom3 :21 But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago.
22 We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.

23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.
24 Yet God freely and graciously declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins.
25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past,
26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.

27 Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith.
28 So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

29 After all, is God the God of the Jews only? Isn’t he also the God of the Gentiles? Of course he is. 3
0 There is only one God, and he makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.[j]
31 Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.
 
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John, what are you up too??? SDA doctrine teach that keeping the Sabbath and the law (Third Angels message) are the standard of God's judgment.


this proves that you haven't been paying attention to what i've been saying.

read rom 3:20, it echos my sentiment.

and i'm not SDA!
 
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this proves that you haven't been paying attention to what i've been saying.

read rom 3:20, it echos my sentiment.

and i'm not SDA!

Ok John.......... Simple question: Are Christians required by God to keep the Sabbath and the 10 commandments?
 
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Ok John.......... Simple question: Are Christians required by God to keep the Sabbath and the 10 commandments?

yes!

remember what Christ said.

"if you would enter into life, keep the commandments"!
 
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yes!

remember what Christ said.

"if you would enter into life, keep the commandments"!
It's not rocket science to many that Christ was citing what the old covenant required.

Yep, just as I suspected you're up to old tricks rabbit.
 
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It's not rocket science to many that Christ was citing what the old covenant required.

Yep, just as I suspected you're up to old tricks rabbit.



Try to stay on topic about Rom3:31


whatever is required of one is required of all.

God is not a respecter of person and He doesn't change!


have a safe trip down the river "denial".
 
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whatever is required of one is required of all.

God is not a respecter of person and He doesn't change!


have a safe trip down the river "denial".
Here we go with the isolated word games.
Who is denying the truth?
Rom3 :21 But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago.
22 We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.
 
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i'd check that version of yours, if it were me!
 
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i'd check that version of yours, if it were me!

The KJV says the same thing.......


1 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[h] who believe.
 
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You said Romans 3 was about the 10 in post 88, as you quoted 3:19 which says law in it, yet 3:19 is not about the 10, so you are incorrect in saying that rom 3 is about the 10.
Love your smaller posts. They are simple and I do not have to go looking for what you say.
 
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It's not rocket science to many that Christ was citing what the old covenant required.

Yep, just as I suspected you're up to old tricks rabbit.
I think Jesus was giving a fool his required answer. I also noticed that he left sad instead of happy. Why? Jesus did not contradict his statement that he kept the law. I also noticed his question is what can I do to have eternal life? Essentially Jesus said you can do nothing to have eternal life. Yes that lines up with Eph 2:8-10.
 
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thank you! yes, the NLT show what I was saying! It shows that there are 2 law usages in 3:21, just like Gal 4:21, has the code, then Genesis in one verse, as you know.


21 Tell me, you who want to live under the (Mosaic) law, do you know what the(Genesis) law actually says?
 
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yes!

remember what Christ said.

"if you would enter into life, keep the commandments"!

Faith, believe, not commands, and we already entered life.


John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
 
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