some debate/descussion? [Moved to Exploring Christianity]

[OldWiseGuy]

Shawn,My advice to you, or anyone genuinely interested in the biblical God or Christianity is to go directly to the source; the bible. Get the KJV, for the beauty of the prose. Stay away from this and other such forums as you will only become sidetracked and confused. You are not ready for a serious conversation as you are presenting thinly veiled arguements against the knowledge of and belief in God. Best not to tell friends or family what you are doing, they will only discourage you. Keep it to yourself.Read your bible as an historical novel, not a religious text for the time being. Let it speak like any great work of literature would. When you have read carefully from Genesis through Revelation you will still have questions, but probably not the ones you've asked here. Good luck to you. owg

 

[mulimulix]

Without God nothing has any meaning, but with God, everything has meaning and is wonderful.

What does that mean? "No meaning?" I live without god, and my life couldn't be better (well, a rocket car would would be cool). ll I can say to people who think this way is a good saying:

"You don't miss what you don't know"

If you were born into a world where everyone was atheist and religion didn't exist, you wouldn't think twice about reason or purpose. Trust me, I was born that way...

 

[bling]

What does that mean? "No meaning?" I live without god, and my life couldn't be better (well, a rocket car would would be cool). ll I can say to people who think this way is a good saying:

"You don't miss what you don't know"

If you were born into a world where everyone was atheist and religion didn't exist, you wouldn't think twice about reason or purpose. Trust me, I was born that way...

So why are you here?

Do you want purpose?

 

[mulimulix]

So why are you here?

Do you want purpose?

I am here because of a long list of things that have happened before I was here. The word purpose is so ambiguous. To me, I have purpose because I have friends, family and a good life. This is my take on purpose

 

[bling]

I am here because of a long list of things that have happened before I was here. The word purpose is so ambiguous. To me, I have purpose because I have friends, family and a good life. This is my take on purpose

Wow, you are certainly "Lucky" to be here. Why were you so lucky?

A rock has purpose in being a rock, so is there more to you then that?

A God that has been around forever would have the best of the best by all standards. Of all God’s attributes the best “Love” would be the greatest, controlling all other attributes (Love is the most power force in all universes). God which is described as Love would be compelled by His Love to make beings that could Love like He Loves. Unfortunately, Godly type Love cannot be directly programmed into the being (instinctive) for that love would be a robotic type of love. If God forces the Love on the being (take it or I torture you) that would not be Loving on God’s part and again would not be Godly type Love. God has to allow (give up some of his power) beings to have free will and choose (it must be a real choice and not forced) Love over some likely alternative (in our case it is the perceived pleasures of sin for a season).
We have the earthly objective (that can only be done on earth) of obtaining Godly type Love so we can Love God and others with all our heart, soul, mind and energy. Love is defined by all Christ said and did (you can also look at 1 Cor. 13 and 1 John 4.) Obtaining Love is accepting it as a free undeserving and unconditional gift (Charity). Man due to survival instincts does not like to accept charity especially from a Giver that paid a huge price. The easiest way to accept it is to accept God’s forgiveness (…he that is forgiven much will Love much…)
God’s objective is the most unselfish objective (an attribute of Godly Love) in that God is doing all He can to help people (those willing to accept His help since they have free will) to fulfill their objective. That “all” includes allowing Christ to go to the cross, satan to roam the earth, tragedies of all kinds, some unwilling individuals to go to hell, and even sinning.
Christ shows us what Love really is, so we know if we want it or not and His going to the cross shows us that God/Christ Love us.
People that repeatedly refuse God’s Love and want selfish type love will not be happy in heaven since it is one huge Love feast.

 

[Key]

I would like to know why people have such a resentment against religious debates and why a site such as this would outlaw questioning of christianity when it is supposed to be the biggest christian forum online, and seeing as the numbers are 1 against 250,000+ people the argument couldnt get too out of hand now could it?

We at one time invited people to do just that, and they wore out their welcome by being very inhospitable guests and thus the door was closed on them because they could not behave themselves in a respectful way showing honor and dignity towards the Christian Religion or it's followers.

Does that answer your question?

Which... we will see what comes of your little display.