Some basic errors in the inerrant Bible

[Phinehas2]

I would love to debate this with you but the section is about homosexuality. I acknowledge that the key argument about homosexuality here hniges on whether one believes the Bible or not, but thats already been established.

 

[Brieuse]

I would love to debate this with you but the section is about homosexuality. I acknowledge that the key argument about homosexuality here hniges on whether one believes the Bible or not, but thats already been established.

I'm so disappointed, I was keen to debate it with you.

When you say you have established homosexual supporters don't believe the Bible, are you referring to the various translations we have today or are you referring to the original scripture?

 

[Brieuse]

Lets see, we are told in the Bible that 1 day is like a thousand to the Lord, so saying today could have still been considered today all the way up to a thousand days by our counting. Jesus was only on earth, was it 40 days? So that is clearly in that thousand range.

What's odd is some of the posters claim the Bible they hold in their hand is inerrant. They then deduce that there could not have been translation errors. Now they are silent.

 

[Brieuse]

Conflicting translations in the modern Bible?

Deut 23:17

KJV - Deu 23:17 - There shall be no harlot of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.King James Version 1611, 1769

NKJV - Deu 23:17 -"There shall be no ritual harlot of the daughters of Israel, or a perverted one of the sons of Israel.
Footnote:
a) Hebrew qedeshah, feminine of qadesh (see note b)
b) Hebrew qadesh, that is, one practicing sodomy and prostitution in religious ritualsNew King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson

NLT - Deu 23:17 -"No Israelite man or woman may ever become a temple prostitute. New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust

NIV - Deu 23:17 -No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute.
New International Version © 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society

ESV - Deu 23:17 -“None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute, and none of the sons of Israel shall be a cult prostitute.
The Holy Bible, English Standard Version © 2001 Crossway Bibles

NASB - Deu 23:17 -"None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute, nor shall any of the sons of Israel be a cult prostitute. New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation

RSV - Deu 23:17 -"There shall be no cult prostitute of the daughters of Israel, neither shall there be a cult prostitute of the sons of Israel.Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.

ASV - Deu 23:17 -There shall be no prostitute of the daughters of Israel, neither shall there be a sodomite of the sons of Israel.American Standard Version 1901 Info

Young - Deu 23:17 -`There is not a harlot among the daughters of Israel, nor is there a whoremonger among the sons of Israel;Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info

Darby - Deu 23:17 -There shall be no prostitute amongst the daughters of Israel, nor any Sodomite amongst the sons of Israel.J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info

Webster - Deu 23:17 -There shall be no harlot of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.Noah Webster Version 1833 Info

HNV - Deu 23:17 -There shall be no prostitute of the daughters of Yisra'el, neither shall there be a sodomite of the sons of Yisra'el.Hebrew Names Version 2000 Info

 

[savedandhappy1]

What's odd is some of the posters claim the Bible they hold in their hand is inerrant. They then deduce that there could not have been translation errors. Now they are silent.

What am I silent about?

Isn't posting in response to your post the opposite of being silent?

If you aren't referring to me then why used my response to make this claim?

It has been proven that not all translations are good translations, and that is why we should do research to get the type of Bible that was taken from the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts.

Just because it says Holy Bible on the front of it doesn't mean that it is correct or inspired by God. I really thought most people understood that.

When my son was first starting his walk with the Lord I got him a NIV, because I thought it would be easier for him to learn and understand. I checked out the important scriptures about salvation and the Christians walk with the Lord, and found them to be exceptable. I was filled with such joy when after church one day he was comparing the NIV with the NKJV and in finding that some important things mentioned in some scriptures weren't even in the NIV he said he wanted to switch to the NKJV.

He told me he was going to give his NIV to a friend, because he did believe it was helpful in the start of a persons seeking of the Lord and the early walk they can have with the Lord. He said though that as a person grows in the Lord they will need a version with more meat and less milk in it.

My heart warmed so as right before my eyes I saw how my son was growing in the wisdom and understandings of the Lord.

 

[Brieuse]

I'm gonna be frank again. This is borderline STUPID. Somebody is going to hinge their eternal soul on a comma splice?

You didn't read the link, did you? Never mind the comma in the wrong place actually changed the entire message of that piece of scripture. You don't care though because it doesn't effect you.

 

[Brieuse]

What am I silent about?

Isn't posting in response to your post the opposite of being silent?

If you aren't referring to me then why used my response to make this claim?

It has been proven that not all translations are good translations, and that is why we should do research to get the type of Bible that was taken from the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts.

Just because it says Holy Bible on the front of it doesn't mean that it is correct or inspired by God. I really thought most people understood that.

When my son was first starting his walk with the Lord I got him a NIV, because I thought it would be easier for him to learn and understand. I checked out the important scriptures about salvation and the Christians walk with the Lord, and found them to be exceptable. I was filled with such joy when after church one day he was comparing the NIV with the NKJV and in finding that some important things mentioned in some scriptures weren't even in the NIV he said he wanted to switch to the NKJV.

He told me he was going to give his NIV to a friend, because he did believe it was helpful in the start of a persons seeking of the Lord and the early walk they can have with the Lord. He said though that as a person grows in the Lord they will need a version with more meat and less milk in it.

My heart warmed so as right before my eyes I saw how my son was growing in the wisdom and understandings of the Lord.

So you agree the Bible we have now is not inerrant?

 

[notmyown123]

I really think your just trying to say that you dont want to have to follow the Bible, for everything that it says. You want to pick and choose the verses that sound good and easy to follow and rule out the others as fallacy. I always find it humorous when christians say they dont believe all of the bible... they sure believe all the parts about Jesus being their savior though. Never understood how people thought God could save them but not do the miracles of the OT or preserve a compilation of writings....

The day I dont believe a part of the Bible is the day I dont believe any of it, and that day aint coming any time soon.

 

[Zaac]

You didn't read the link, did you? Never mind the comma in the wrong place actually changed the entire message of that piece of scripture. You don't care though because it doesn't effect you.

I don't care because I know the foolishness of a hardened heart when I see it.

You're talking about COMMAS for goodness sake.

If there has ever been any doubt in anybody's mind as to why salvation is the work of God and God alone, this type of childish nit picking to make sin not sin is why.

Straight STUPID!!!

 

[Zaac]

I really think your just trying to say that you dont want to have to follow the Bible, for everything that it says. You want to pick and choose the verses that sound good and easy to follow and rule out the others as fallacy. I always find it humorous when christians say they dont believe all of the bible... they sure believe all the parts about Jesus being their savior though. Never understood how people thought God could save them but not do the miracles of the OT or preserve a compilation of writings....

The day I dont believe a part of the Bible is the day I dont believe any of it, and that day aint coming any time soon.

Come on now. Say that Again!!!

Like God can't maintain His Word. These folks just don't want to OBEY His Word and will go to any lengths to make it say what THEY want it to say instead of accepting what GOD SAYS.

It's almost funny that they think the God who created the universe can't maintain His Word, but their little frail, insignificant minds can comprehend what He was TRYING to say to the point that they can rewrite His Word.

Just shameless I tell ya!! Shameless!!!

 

[notmyown123]

I personally love the way that translation errors are brought up constantly... as if there has not been a million people studying the translations now... they might can argue 1 Cor 6:9 because the whole sentence is based on the one word, but Lev 18:22 spells it out nice and clear for those that want to see it

 

[Brieuse]

I don't care because I know the foolishness of a hardened heart when I see it.

You're talking about COMMAS for goodness sake.

If there has ever been any doubt in anybody's mind as to why salvation is the work of God and God alone, this type of childish nit picking to make sin not sin is why.

Straight STUPID!!!

Well, if you read the link, you'd realise it wasn't only about commas but I just illustrated how a misplaced comma completely changed the meaning of a part of scripture. Now what would happen with a couple of misplaced words?

 

[Brieuse]

I personally love the way that translation errors are brought up constantly... as if there has not been a million people studying the translations now... they might can argue 1 Cor 6:9 because the whole sentence is based on the one word, but Lev 18:22 spells it out nice and clear for those that want to see it

What? it also says you can't have sex with a woman having a period, and you should be put to death if you do.

Also says you can't eat shellfish. Apparently it's an equal abomination

Also says you can't wear clothes that have mixed fabrics.

If you swear at your parents, you should be put to death!

Do you really want to live by those laws? I'll take Jesus thank you.

 

[Zaac]

I personally love the way that translation errors are brought up constantly... as if there has not been a million people studying the translations now... they might can argue 1 Cor 6:9 because the whole sentence is based on the one word, but Lev 18:22 spells it out nice and clear for those that want to see it

As does the whole of God's Word. Anybody who was really seeking the truth could not sit down with God's Word and all it does say about man and woman, and marriage, and producing Godly offspring, and the Church being the Bride and Christ being the Bridegroom, and any number of other things and think for a second that God in any way condones homosexual fornication.

 

[Zaac]

Well, if you read the link, you'd realise it wasn't only about commas but I just illustrated how a misplaced comma completely changed the meaning of a part of scripture. Now what would happen with a couple of misplaced words?

There is no need for me to read any foolishness about God's Word saying something other than what it does say.

Your god may not be able to maintain his word. MY GOD can.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

I really think your just trying to say that you dont want to have to follow the Bible, for everything that it says. You want to pick and choose the verses that sound good and easy to follow and rule out the others as fallacy. I always find it humorous when christians say they dont believe all of the bible... they sure believe all the parts about Jesus being their savior though. Never understood how people thought God could save them but not do the miracles of the OT or preserve a compilation of writings....

The day I dont believe a part of the Bible is the day I dont believe any of it, and that day aint coming any time soon.

Right on, I'm with you.

 

[notmyown123]

I didnt know we were debating fabrics and food. I mustve got turned around...

The point is some homosexuals say that God made them that way, while Moses(the man that spoke to God face to face) wrote from his own account of what the Lord told him about homosexuality... either you believe what Moses wrote, or you dont.