Somatic therapy

[Healing with Jesus]

Brothers and sisters in Christ....

Anyone here have any experiences doing somatic therapy? E.g. "Waking the Tiger" by Peter Levine for example.

And/or experiences doing somatic experiencing, with a focus on perceptions of energy in the body?

I have been seeing a doctor who kind of funneled me into this type of therapy. We have been doing it consistently for 6 months, a combination of talk therapy and what's going on in my body.

Almost like - my physical health problems come from an energetic block, and helping the energy move by paying attention to the stuck energy is what brings health.

What's getting my attention is that my life has literally been a non-stop assault for the last few months and it feels very spiritual in origin. If God is testing me, that's OK, though I don't understand. I also know that He chastens whom He loves.

I believe we have energy that is created by God, and that we have authority over it in Christ, to the extent our Father has given us. However, something about this therapy feels wrong spiritually. Sometimes there is a reference to chakras. I don't see exactly why this would contradict God, but something feels off.

I'm hoping to hear from others who have had lived experiences with this type of work, or have witnessed other Christians who have tried something like this.

Thank you for reading.

 

[AlexB23]

Brothers and sisters in Christ....

Anyone here have any experiences doing somatic therapy? E.g. "Waking the Tiger" by Peter Levine for example.

And/or experiences doing somatic experiencing, with a focus on perceptions of energy in the body?

I have been seeing a doctor who kind of funneled me into this type of therapy. We have been doing it consistently for 6 months, a combination of talk therapy and what's going on in my body.

Almost like - my physical health problems come from an energetic block, and helping the energy move by paying attention to the stuck energy is what brings health.

What's getting my attention is that my life has literally been a non-stop assault for the last few months and it feels very spiritual in origin. If God is testing me, that's OK, though I don't understand. I also know that He chastens whom He loves.

I believe we have energy that is created by God, and that we have authority over it in Christ, to the extent our Father has given us. However, something about this therapy feels wrong spiritually. Sometimes there is a reference to chakras. I don't see exactly why this would contradict God, but something feels off.

I'm hoping to hear from others who have had lived experiences with this type of work, or have witnessed other Christians who have tried something like this.

Thank you for reading.

New Age teachings are demonic, my friend. That is why something is off. This stuff borrows Hindu teachings, and Hinduism is worshiping a foreign, Oriental God, and not the God of Israel.

 

[Healing with Jesus]

New Age teachings are demonic, my friend. That is why something is off. This stuff borrows Hindu teachings, and Hinduism is worshiping a foreign, Oriental God, and not the God of Israel.

So it's New Age, huh. Just filtered through a "therapeutic" application....

Can you explain the influence of Hinduism in this type of therapy? I feel a bit blind-sided. I don't mean to sound naive, but it does seem that I am, or I wouldn't have fallen into this.

I told this doctor soooo much and feel like I was kind of "groomed" into this type of therapy. My defenses were totally down. I was majorly struggling with the discovery of a very traumatic childhood pattern. Ugh!

 

[AlexB23]

So it's New Age, huh. Just filtered through a "therapeutic" application....

Can you explain the influence of Hinduism in this type of therapy? I feel a bit blind-sided. I don't mean to sound naive, but it does seem that I am, or I wouldn't have fallen into this.

I told this doctor soooo much and feel like I was kind of "groomed" into this type of therapy. My defenses were totally down. I was majorly struggling with the discovery of a very traumatic childhood pattern. Ugh!

Well, the word "Chakra" originated in India, and refers to energy levels in Hinduism and Buddhism. Hinduism is worship of false gods. Yes, you were groomed into this therapy. If you want therapy, seek a Christian therapist, one who does not dabble in the New Age movement.

Chakra Explained:

Nadi (yoga) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

New Age Movement is Demonic:

The New Age Movement: Highway to Hell | EWTN

EWTN is a global, Catholic Television, Catholic Radio, and Catholic News Network that provides catholic programming and news coverage from around the world.

www.ewtn.com

 

[bèlla]

It sounds similar to Reiki which uses a similar process to address energy blocks. You're better off sticking with prayer and forgoing questionable practices.

~bella

 

[eleos1954]

Brothers and sisters in Christ....

Anyone here have any experiences doing somatic therapy? E.g. "Waking the Tiger" by Peter Levine for example.

And/or experiences doing somatic experiencing, with a focus on perceptions of energy in the body?

I have been seeing a doctor who kind of funneled me into this type of therapy. We have been doing it consistently for 6 months, a combination of talk therapy and what's going on in my body.

Almost like - my physical health problems come from an energetic block, and helping the energy move by paying attention to the stuck energy is what brings health.

What's getting my attention is that my life has literally been a non-stop assault for the last few months and it feels very spiritual in origin. If God is testing me, that's OK, though I don't understand. I also know that He chastens whom He loves.

I believe we have energy that is created by God, and that we have authority over it in Christ, to the extent our Father has given us. However, something about this therapy feels wrong spiritually. Sometimes there is a reference to chakras. I don't see exactly why this would contradict God, but something feels off.

I'm hoping to hear from others who have had lived experiences with this type of work, or have witnessed other Christians who have tried something like this.

Thank you for reading.

It's basically hypnosis ... we are to rely on God.

What Does the Bible Say About Hypnosis?

 

[Healing with Jesus]

Well, the word "Chakra" originated in India, and refers to energy levels in Hinduism and Buddhism. Hinduism is worship of false gods. Yes, you were groomed into this therapy. If you want therapy, seek a Christian therapist, one who does not dabble in the New Age movement.

Chakra Explained:

Nadi (yoga) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

New Age Movement is Demonic:

The New Age Movement: Highway to Hell | EWTN

EWTN is a global, Catholic Television, Catholic Radio, and Catholic News Network that provides catholic programming and news coverage from around the world.

www.ewtn.com

It sounds similar to Reiki which uses a similar process to address energy blocks. You're better off sticking with prayer and forgoing questionable practices.

~bella

It's basically hypnosis ... we are to rely on God.

What Does the Bible Say About Hypnosis?

You're all right and I feel like I'm going to be sick. I don't know how I fell into this deception.

I was a prodigal who came back to Jesus Christ 15 years ago. Prior to coming back to Him, I had into the New Age and "The Celestine Prophecy" and "The Secret," a.k.a. the law of attraction. How did this happen again?? My spiritual discernment was warning me before the meetings, but I wasn't sure if that was it.

I also rationalized that I needed someone.. a real person.. to talk to and advocate for me. I have felt understood by this doctor, more than even by my friends and family. Most of what we've been doing lately is talk therapy, because I feel too stressed to experience my body the way I did in the earlier sessions. But surely the practitioner is still heavily under the influence of these spirits to be doing this work. What I thought was wise, sharp intuition likely is demonic activity. I am disgusted, ashamed, disappointed...

I have been extremely isolated in my current situation and made the decision to engage in the therapy, again and again. I felt I needed the support. So I will stop the therapy, I have no more appointments for it. I am going to need God to guide me with His wisdom about how to move forward.

 

[com7fy8]

"Waking the Tiger"

This is supposed to have something to do with therapy??

I know there are eastern religions and ways which include animal symbolism. I would say we need to evaluate regular, mainstream American medicine and drugs, but the other stuff can be not so practical, and the spirits of course can be wrong. Of course, worldly mainstream medical people can be wrong in some way. So, as well as we can, we need to pray and submit to how God guides us, certainly not depend on our own selves to evaluate what we should do!

experiences doing somatic experiencing, with a focus on perceptions of energy in the body

God is the One who can know and manage how our bodies are working and how our spiritual condition can affect our physical bodies. In my experience, if I have a medical issue, it works well to first seek to submit to God so I am in His love and how the power of His love affects me bodily and spiritually and emotionally. Then see how this takes care of any medical problems or questions. I do find there are times when He has me read things and cooperate with medical workers . . . mainstream ones for physical actions and at times prescribed drugs and vaccines.

I have been seeing a doctor who kind of funneled me into this type of therapy.

And what do you mean by a "doctor"?

Almost like - my physical health problems come from an energetic block, and helping the energy move by paying attention to the stuck energy is what brings health.

There is a generally accepted idea that stress can damage our immune function. And there are other things accepted, about how our emotions can have what are called "psychosomatic" effects, symptoms. What is spiritual can have medical effects.

But God is the One to actually work in our spirit and emotions, and God's work has plenty about how to be and how to relate emotionally. And this can have its resulting physical effects. Also, how we eat can have major effects on our bodies, and how we do things safely or not can have results.

But I would say you can not get your energy "stuck". For example, your emotions can come out somehow, even if you try to suppress them and cover them up. And of course there is energy which is wrong, of nasty and negative anger and unforgiveness and other wrong emotional and spiritual energy activity.

We need to put to death certain wrong and negative things, and get into how God has us loving, instead >

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

This comes with sharing as family with other children of God. So, it is possible that seeking a therapist can be isolating away from the real situations where God would have us growing with one another and learning how to love.

 

[AlexB23]

You're all right and I feel like I'm going to be sick. I don't know how I fell into this deception.

I was a prodigal who came back to Jesus Christ 15 years ago. Prior to coming back to Him, I had into the New Age and "The Celestine Prophecy" and "The Secret," a.k.a. the law of attraction. How did this happen again?? My spiritual discernment was warning me before the meetings, but I wasn't sure if that was it.

I also rationalized that I needed someone.. a real person.. to talk to and advocate for me. I have felt understood by this doctor, more than even by my friends and family. Most of what we've been doing lately is talk therapy, because I feel too stressed to experience my body the way I did in the earlier sessions. But surely the practitioner is still heavily under the influence of these spirits to be doing this work. What I thought was wise, sharp intuition likely is demonic activity. I am disgusted, ashamed, disappointed...

I have been extremely isolated in my current situation and made the decision to engage in the therapy, again and again. I felt I needed the support. So I will stop the therapy, I have no more appointments for it. I am going to need God to guide me with His wisdom about how to move forward.

Hey, we all fall for things. It is good that you stop the therapy. Sadly, in the US, people are so individualistic, that friendships are harder to come by, and more people have mental health issues. Christians are told to build communities, and not isolate. Though, in the End Times, isolation would get worse for more people.

Do you believe in the End Times? We are very close to the Great Tribulation. How close, I am not sure. But, Jesus will protect us through any moment.

 

[bèlla]

If you understand the idea that the devil creates nothing you'll see the titles in a different light for starters. That doesn't imply everything is false. But when the foundation isn't solid you're less likely to spot the lies from the truth. Hence the issue. I read the ones you mentioned years ago and doing it now would be a different experience because of my maturity and grounding. Understand?

Your faux pas was loneliness and a desire to be heard which permitted you to ignore questionable behaviors in light of his companionship. Forgive yourself and look at alternative treatments like art therapy, journaling and others that support expression without delving into the spiritual. You need time to heal and looking over your shoulder or questioning this and that hastens the process.

For what it's worth, I draw from eastern and western teachings for my health. I prefer non invasive methods with minimal medicine and natural remedies. I learn something new all the time but I understand the spiritual teachings behind those systems and that influences engagement. For example, I'll do pilates but avoid yoga.

Focus on prayer and bookmark your day with the practice to settle yourself and restore your balance. You don't need somatic therapy. If you commune with the Lord several times a day you'll notice the difference. Listen to Soakstream while resting.

~bella

 

[Healing with Jesus]

If you understand the idea that the devil creates nothing you'll see the titles in a different light for starters. That doesn't imply everything is false. But when the foundation isn't solid you're less likely to spot the lies from the truth. Hence the issue. I read the ones you mentioned years ago and doing it now would be a different experience because of my maturity and grounding. Understand?

Sorry, I don't understand your first paragraph at all. Not sure what you mean about titles, etc.

Your faux pas was loneliness and a desire to be heard which permitted you to ignore questionable behaviors in light of his companionship. Forgive yourself and look at alternative treatments like art therapy, journaling and others that support expression without delving into the spiritual. You need time to heal and looking over your shoulder or questioning this and that hastens the process.

The doctor is a woman, FYI. I have been journaling and making art for years.... it is therapeutic but I found that healing reached a stagnant point in isolation.

For what it's worth, I draw from eastern and western teachings for my health. I prefer non invasive methods with minimal medicine and natural remedies. I learn something new all the time but I understand the spiritual teachings behind those systems and that influences engagement. For example, I'll do pilates but avoid yoga.

I also seek alternative medicinal therapies because mainstream medicine is compromised by an allopathic mindset, pushing people to petroleum-based pills to solve problems. I am usually very discerning and avoid things like yoga as well.

Focus on prayer and bookmark your day with the practice to settle yourself and restore your balance. You don't need somatic therapy. If you commune with the Lord several times a day you'll notice the difference. Listen to Soakstream while resting.

~bella

Feeling a bit misunderstood here, feeling like I need to defend / explain myself. I am a practicing Christian undergoing intense spiritual attack. I read the Bible every day and pray often throughout the day. I need God, badly, and He's my only Father. This world has beat me up from the beginning, few people have lived the extent of suffering I've endured. Like... I never had parents to provide the basic level of protection, quite the opposite. Abuse, neglect, addiction, ugly stuff from infancy. There is a lot of healing I need. And I do feel as if my body remembers a lot, so somatic therapy made sense to me. I didn't knowingly entertain the occult. I started therapy with someone who was my doctor for many years, and the spiritual aspect of it was just revealed to me.

 

[Healing with Jesus]

Hey, we all fall for things. It is good that you stop the therapy. Sadly, in the US, people are so individualistic, that friendships are harder to come by, and more people have mental health issues. Christians are told to build communities, and not isolate. Though, in the End Times, isolation would get worse for more people.

Do you believe in the End Times? We are very close to the Great Tribulation. How close, I am not sure. But, Jesus will protect us through any moment.

Very true. Where does the Bible say that isolation will get worse in the end times?

I do believe in the end times. It is confusing, because the New Testament sounds as if the end times began when Jesus left. There is obviously an intensifying going on. I can see the increasing entropy every single passing year, in the physical world, in the people around me, and within myself.

I'm not sure if the Great Tribulation is a literal period of time like many people understand it to be. But it does certainly feel like an exceptionally difficult time of trial is upon us. Amen to Jesus protecting us. I trust Him.

 

[Healing with Jesus]

This is supposed to have something to do with therapy??

Yes, the book "Waking the Tiger" is about the theory behind somatic experiencing.

I know there are eastern religions and ways which include animal symbolism. I would say we need to evaluate regular, mainstream American medicine and drugs, but the other stuff can be not so practical, and the spirits of course can be wrong. Of course, worldly mainstream medical people can be wrong in some way. So, as well as we can, we need to pray and submit to how God guides us, certainly not depend on our own selves to evaluate what we should do!

Amen. Discernment is very important with everything. My loved ones and I have been repeatedly harmed by mainstream medicine, hence my draw to alternatives.

God is the One who can know and manage how our bodies are working and how our spiritual condition can affect our physical bodies. In my experience, if I have a medical issue, it works well to first seek to submit to God so I am in His love and how the power of His love affects me bodily and spiritually and emotionally. Then see how this takes care of any medical problems or questions. I do find there are times when He has me read things and cooperate with medical workers . . . mainstream ones for physical actions and at times prescribed drugs and vaccines.

Interesting, I appreciate your sharing your process.

And what do you mean by a "doctor"?

A naturopathic physician who is licensed, bills insurance, etc.

There is a generally accepted idea that stress can damage our immune function. And there are other things accepted, about how our emotions can have what are called "psychosomatic" effects, symptoms. What is spiritual can have medical effects.

But God is the One to actually work in our spirit and emotions, and God's work has plenty about how to be and how to relate emotionally. And this can have its resulting physical effects. Also, how we eat can have major effects on our bodies, and how we do things safely or not can have results.

I enjoy reading this a lot. Perhaps there is more healing that can happen for me by the power of the Holy Spirit, through the renewing of my mind conforming to the mind of Christ. I also like that you said, "how we eat," and not just "what we eat." I.e., I eat organic food, but am I grateful for how the food is nourishing my body? Am I emotionally present with my loved ones as we break bread?

But I would say you can not get your energy "stuck". For example, your emotions can come out somehow, even if you try to suppress them and cover them up. And of course there is energy which is wrong, of nasty and negative anger and unforgiveness and other wrong emotional and spiritual energy activity.

We need to put to death certain wrong and negative things, and get into how God has us loving, instead >

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

To be honest, I never really understood the "put on" this and "put off" that handouts they would give out in church. Like yes, I will just put off my resentment and bitterness and put on gratitude and joy? Ta-da!? No, really... What is the process...? How does that work?

This comes with sharing as family with other children of God. So, it is possible that seeking a therapist can be isolating away from the real situations where God would have us growing with one another and learning how to love.

I agree with you here 1,000%! I think that therapy is trying to fill a void that our modern society has created. Even considering how people used to participate in communal activities so much more - even something like going down to a river to wash clothes together, etc. People spoke openly about their problems, and saw more of what was going on in each other's lives.

 

[AlexB23]

Very true. Where does the Bible say that isolation will get worse in the end times?

I do believe in the end times. It is confusing, because the New Testament sounds as if the end times began when Jesus left. There is obviously an intensifying going on. I can see the increasing entropy every single passing year, in the physical world, in the people around me, and within myself.

I'm not sure if the Great Tribulation is a literal period of time like many people understand it to be. But it does certainly feel like an exceptionally difficult time of trial is upon us. Amen to Jesus protecting us. I trust Him.

Yep, the Great Tribulation is a literal period of time, though things will continue to get worse as the Tribulation nears. In the End Times, people will be without love, which could in theory be why folks are more individualistic, therefore isolating themselves. Entropy is a real thing. There will be great division in the Last Days. And yes, the End Times began as soon as Jesus left, but we are probably closer to the Great Tribulation nowadays compared to in 33 AD.

Here is the verse:

2 Timothy 3:1-5 (NIV): "But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people."

 

[bèlla]

Sorry, I don't understand your first paragraph at all. Not sure what you mean about titles, etc.

I was referencing the books you mentioned.

I am a practicing Christian undergoing intense spiritual attack.

If you're undergoing attack you need someone within the fold to address the problem. I'm assuming you thought she was?

Like... I never had parents to provide the basic level of protection, quite the opposite. Abuse, neglect, addiction, ugly stuff from infancy. There is a lot of healing I need.

We're not allowed to discuss deliverance but I understand what you're saying. You want to address the strongman and corroborating influences for your experiences and stand against them in prayer. Pick up a copy of Pigs in a Parlor. He lists the ruling spirits and the problems they create. That will help you a lot.

And I do feel as if my body remembers a lot, so somatic therapy made sense to me. I didn't knowingly entertain the occult. I started therapy with someone who was my doctor for many years, and the spiritual aspect of it was just revealed to me.

I didn't think you did.

What you're referring to is trauma and that's well documented. Do you have others standing with you in prayer or have you sent requests to trusted ministries for assistance?

~bella

 

[com7fy8]

To be honest, I never really understood the "put on" this and "put off" that handouts they would give out in church. Like yes, I will just put off my resentment and bitterness and put on gratitude and joy? Ta-da!? No, really... What is the process...? How does that work?

Refuse to submit to what is wrong in us, and get rid of it.

And get what is good instead.

Is the naturopathic doctor graduated from standard medical school plus a specialization in naturopathic? Or, is it no mainstream?

I, of course, do not know what happened in your mainstream experience. I think I have seen things wrong, but I have had very good results. And I have seen how patients can have a lot to do with how things go. But yes I have seen evil stuff, among mainstream people and New Age.

I understand that God wants me to make sure with Him about everything. Then, if I get in a mess or someone I trust crosses me, I'm accountable to God for if I made sure with Him about trusting that person. And I trust Him for how things will work out.

 

[Healing with Jesus]

The dark spirits are not happy that I'm making the choice to exit this therapy. Externally, challenges are arising, such as illness, etc. Internally, I am struggling with a lack of a support network. One of my closest friends stopped wanting to be in touch last week as all this came to a head. Her own personal issues.. not great timing for me.

Earlier last week, before I had a strong hunch this was the occult at work and made this post, I wrote an email to my doctor-turned-therapist. I expressed extreme dissatisfaction with her colleague's care of my medical problems for the past 6 months. See, when we made the decision to enter this therapeutic relationship, she advised me that both my kids and I would need to see someone else in the practice.

So a week or so ago, I told her that I would like to start seeing her medically again. I gave her a rundown of my latest medical issues. She responded in a really ugly way. Very sagely, calm New Age wisdom type stuff. "It sounds like you have unresolved and unintegrated feelings and emotions about this." Seriously - of course I do - her colleague won't even acknowledge that I have a medical issue. So I'm being gaslighted and ignored and am not receiving the care I need. Pretty sure it's reasonable to feel upset about that, and that doesn't mean I need therapy to fix that.

She tried to funnel me back into the therapy, again, and said that I can't see her as my doctor anymore. She said it in a very polite way that was well-crafted and "supportive," ignoring the fact that I am having physical issues which require an actual doctor, and not therapy. "Let's keep our work to the therapeutic realm." Yeah, it's a realm, all right...

She never told me that once we started doing therapy, I could never see her as my doctor again. With her medical practice being very small, that is a very pertinent detail that I feel she should have made clear to me. Now I have to wait an entire month to see another doctor there about a very pressing issue. So, medical forums on the Internet have been more helpful to me than the "doctor" I have seen for years.

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Yep, the Great Tribulation is a literal period of time, though things will continue to get worse as the Tribulation nears. In the End Times, people will be without love, which could in theory be why folks are more individualistic, therefore isolating themselves. Entropy is a real thing. There will be great division in the Last Days. And yes, the End Times began as soon as Jesus left, but we are probably closer to the Great Tribulation nowadays compared to in 33 AD.

Here is the verse:

2 Timothy 3:1-5 (NIV): "But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people."

"[H]aving a form of godliness but denying its power." x 1,000,00

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I was referencing the books you mentioned.

OK, I was confused because I only mentioned one book in this post, so perhaps that's why I didn't understand what you meant.

If you're undergoing attack you need someone within the fold to address the problem. I'm assuming you thought she was?

No, I knew she was not in the fold. I didn't come to her with spiritual problems - at least, not intentionally. I started seeing her as my doctor for physical problems, and I recognize that we do interact with many unbelievers to give us services throughout our lives. I didn't realize that by starting therapy, especially because of the nature of the therapy she does, it gave the spirits she works with access to my soul. I figured we were working with my mind and body strictly, and didn't realize I was being sabotaged spiritually.

I have been in and out of therapy for 25 years, and have worked with unbelievers and believers.

The dark spirits have found ways to afflict me through believers, too. It's not always so straightforward as seeing a Christian therapist in my experience. I.e. the last time I was in therapy was with a male believer. I thought he was wise and discerning about the Word of God. However, the enemy found a way to use the problems in his personal life to afflict me. The counselor used the therapy sessions for himself, and told me all about his personal life. I was a nurturing, listening person for him, and he interwove his personal problems between my own reflections. I didn't intend to be that for him, at all; I was there to heal and deal with my issues. He read to me from his journal, told me about his marital issues and problems with his ex, and even provided some graphic descriptions about himself.

That horrible experience really upended my worldview because I trusted that man so much. I let him help me understand the Word of God, which is so precious to me, and so I was really confused for many months and could hardly even read my Bible or pray. Comparatively, this experience with the doctor-therapist has at least driven me into the Bible and prayer, and not away from it.

So all this is to say: the enemy can effectively use believers in the fold, too. It takes great discernment to choose a healthy therapist, and most of us when we really need therapy are not in a position to be so discerning, unfortunately...

It was with great hesitance that I started therapy at all. I had not since 3 years prior, when I ended it with the male believing counselor. It took a lot of trust to start therapy again, and I figured that she would be a safe person for me, because I had known her for so long. I was wrong, and honestly... times like these, it's hard to know who is safe to trust, at all.

We're not allowed to discuss deliverance but I understand what you're saying. You want to address the strongman and corroborating influences for your experiences and stand against them in prayer. Pick up a copy of Pigs in a Parlor. He lists the ruling spirits and the problems they create. That will help you a lot.

Thank you so much! I hadn't heard of that book and looked it up; it sounds helpful. I hadn't thought too much about the spiritual aspects of the trauma to be honest. Once, many years ago, I did a prayer rebuking generational sins, etc. but it obviously was not effective.

I didn't think you did.

What you're referring to is trauma and that's well documented. Do you have others standing with you in prayer or have you sent requests to trusted ministries for assistance?

~bella

I have an active prayer thread going here. I reached out to one ministry, but not sure how trustworthy they are. I'm open to suggestions if you have any you'd like to share here, and/or feel free to message me.

One of my biggest battles is isolation. Every single time I try to connect with a believer, something really bad happens. Actually, that is part of what caused my crushing desperation that led me to reach out to my doctor-therapist. A very dear believing friend suddenly dumped and ghosted me, and I was just completely broken. I have been to many churches in the area, but have found things like: 1) deification of political figures, 2) being aligned with certain political movements which seem unGodly to me, 3) encouraging living in fear during certain types of crises, etc. It feels like a lot of propaganda, and not a lot of focus on Jesus / Holy Spirit / Heavenly Father.

I can't really tolerate sitting in a pew and having all that broadcast into my mind, and the people around me just soaking it all up like it's truth. I feel like so few people recognize our Shepherd's voice. Obviously, I was deceived by this therapy, so I have a huge log in my eye. I am not ignoring that. I am just baffled about how to become part of a safe support network.

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Refuse to submit to what is wrong in us, and get rid of it.

And get what is good instead.

Could you give me some examples of what this process might look like? For example, if I am constantly jealous of other people and bitter about my negative life experiences, how do I get rid of that and get what is good?

Is the naturopathic doctor graduated from standard medical school plus a specialization in naturopathic? Or, is it no mainstream?

She was a registered nurse for years and kept seeing the same people come in for chronic illnesses. She went to became a naturopathic doctor (ND) so that she could help people get to the root causes of their illnesses.

I, of course, do not know what happened in your mainstream experience. I think I have seen things wrong, but I have had very good results. And I have seen how patients can have a lot to do with how things go. But yes I have seen evil stuff, among mainstream people and New Age.

Yeah, it's something I'm pretty passionate about because my child and I almost died in labor and delivery. Mainstream medicine did both: caused our issues and saved our lives. So, it's not all good or all bad in my experience.

Even mainstream medicine has occultic influences that may not be as visible / known nowadays.
E.g., these symbols which are ever-present in Western medicine are both associated with different Greek gods.
Caduceus as a symbol of medicine
Rod of Asclepius

I understand that God wants me to make sure with Him about everything. Then, if I get in a mess or someone I trust crosses me, I'm accountable to God for if I made sure with Him about trusting that person. And I trust Him for how things will work out.

Amen to that! I was just sharing this verse with one of my children earlier, Proverbs 3:5-6 (NLT) :

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart;
do not depend on your own understanding.
6 Seek his will in all you do,
and he will show you which path to take.

 

[AlexB23]

The dark spirits are not happy that I'm making the choice to exit this therapy. Externally, challenges are arising, such as illness, etc. Internally, I am struggling with a lack of a support network. One of my closest friends stopped wanting to be in touch last week as all this came to a head. Her own personal issues.. not great timing for me.

Earlier last week, before I had a strong hunch this was the occult at work and made this post, I wrote an email to my doctor-turned-therapist. I expressed extreme dissatisfaction with her colleague's care of my medical problems for the past 6 months. See, when we made the decision to enter this therapeutic relationship, she advised me that both my kids and I would need to see someone else in the practice.

So a week or so ago, I told her that I would like to start seeing her medically again. I gave her a rundown of my latest medical issues. She responded in a really ugly way. Very sagely, calm New Age wisdom type stuff. "It sounds like you have unresolved and unintegrated feelings and emotions about this." Seriously - of course I do - her colleague won't even acknowledge that I have a medical issue. So I'm being gaslighted and ignored and am not receiving the care I need. Pretty sure it's reasonable to feel upset about that, and that doesn't mean I need therapy to fix that.

She tried to funnel me back into the therapy, again, and said that I can't see her as my doctor anymore. She said it in a very polite way that was well-crafted and "supportive," ignoring the fact that I am having physical issues which require an actual doctor, and not therapy. "Let's keep our work to the therapeutic realm." Yeah, it's a realm, all right...

She never told me that once we started doing therapy, I could never see her as my doctor again. With her medical practice being very small, that is a very pertinent detail that I feel she should have made clear to me. Now I have to wait an entire month to see another doctor there about a very pressing issue. So, medical forums on the Internet have been more helpful to me than the "doctor" I have seen for years.

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"[H]aving a form of godliness but denying its power." x 1,000,00

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OK, I was confused because I only mentioned one book in this post, so perhaps that's why I didn't understand what you meant.



No, I knew she was not in the fold. I didn't come to her with spiritual problems - at least, not intentionally. I started seeing her as my doctor for physical problems, and I recognize that we do interact with many unbelievers to give us services throughout our lives. I didn't realize that by starting therapy, especially because of the nature of the therapy she does, it gave the spirits she works with access to my soul. I figured we were working with my mind and body strictly, and didn't realize I was being sabotaged spiritually.

I have been in and out of therapy for 25 years, and have worked with unbelievers and believers.

The dark spirits have found ways to afflict me through believers, too. It's not always so straightforward as seeing a Christian therapist in my experience. I.e. the last time I was in therapy was with a male believer. I thought he was wise and discerning about the Word of God. However, the enemy found a way to use the problems in his personal life to afflict me. The counselor used the therapy sessions for himself, and told me all about his personal life. I was a nurturing, listening person for him, and he interwove his personal problems between my own reflections. I didn't intend to be that for him, at all; I was there to heal and deal with my issues. He read to me from his journal, told me about his marital issues and problems with his ex, and even provided some graphic descriptions about himself.

That horrible experience really upended my worldview because I trusted that man so much. I let him help me understand the Word of God, which is so precious to me, and so I was really confused for many months and could hardly even read my Bible or pray. Comparatively, this experience with the doctor-therapist has at least driven me into the Bible and prayer, and not away from it.

So all this is to say: the enemy can effectively use believers in the fold, too. It takes great discernment to choose a healthy therapist, and most of us when we really need therapy are not in a position to be so discerning, unfortunately...

It was with great hesitance that I started therapy at all. I had not since 3 years prior, when I ended it with the male believing counselor. It took a lot of trust to start therapy again, and I figured that she would be a safe person for me, because I had known her for so long. I was wrong, and honestly... times like these, it's hard to know who is safe to trust, at all.



Thank you so much! I hadn't heard of that book and looked it up; it sounds helpful. I hadn't thought too much about the spiritual aspects of the trauma to be honest. Once, many years ago, I did a prayer rebuking generational sins, etc. but it obviously was not effective.



I have an active prayer thread going here. I reached out to one ministry, but not sure how trustworthy they are. I'm open to suggestions if you have any you'd like to share here, and/or feel free to message me.

One of my biggest battles is isolation. Every single time I try to connect with a believer, something really bad happens. Actually, that is part of what caused my crushing desperation that led me to reach out to my doctor-therapist. A very dear believing friend suddenly dumped and ghosted me, and I was just completely broken. I have been to many churches in the area, but have found things like: 1) deification of political figures, 2) being aligned with certain political movements which seem unGodly to me, 3) encouraging living in fear during certain types of crises, etc. It feels like a lot of propaganda, and not a lot of focus on Jesus / Holy Spirit / Heavenly Father.

I can't really tolerate sitting in a pew and having all that broadcast into my mind, and the people around me just soaking it all up like it's truth. I feel like so few people recognize our Shepherd's voice. Obviously, I was deceived by this therapy, so I have a huge log in my eye. I am not ignoring that. I am just baffled about how to become part of a safe support network.

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Could you give me some examples of what this process might look like? For example, if I am constantly jealous of other people and bitter about my negative life experiences, how do I get rid of that and get what is good?



She was a registered nurse for years and kept seeing the same people come in for chronic illnesses. She went to became a naturopathic doctor (ND) so that she could help people get to the root causes of their illnesses.



Yeah, it's something I'm pretty passionate about because my child and I almost died in labor and delivery. Mainstream medicine did both: caused our issues and saved our lives. So, it's not all good or all bad in my experience.

Even mainstream medicine has occultic influences that may not be as visible / known nowadays.
E.g., these symbols which are ever-present in Western medicine are both associated with different Greek gods.
Caduceus as a symbol of medicine
Rod of Asclepius



Amen to that! I was just sharing this verse with one of my children earlier, Proverbs 3:5-6 (NLT) :

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart;
do not depend on your own understanding.
6 Seek his will in all you do,
and he will show you which path to take.

Ditch your friend. If she is into this dark stuff, then the demonic teachings have a hold of her.

 

[Healing with Jesus]

Ditch your friend. If she is into this dark stuff, then the demonic teachings have a hold of her.

Can you clarify what you mean? I didn't mention any friends who are into dark / demonic stuff, just that doctor-therapist... I'm not sure which part of my post you're referencing.

 

[AlexB23]

Can you clarify what you mean? I didn't mention any friends who are into dark / demonic stuff, just that doctor-therapist... I'm not sure which part of my post you're referencing.

You said that "One of my closest friends stopped wanting to be in touch last week as all this came to a head. Her own personal issues.. not great timing for me."

Is she into this stuff as well, or was this an unrelated issue that happened around the same time that you decided to leave the quack therapy?