Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

[Neogaia777]

This post is going to be about both creation and evolution being true or being a reality, based on this thread (below) and starting with some of my more recent posts in it (below)...

Genesis and Creation, Days are long "ages" ect...?

Genesis 1 to Genesis 2:4 it is describing a literal history of an entire creation from beginning to end, days 1 through 7... And in or after Genesis 2:4 or starting with Genesis 2:5, it begins to to describe "it" in detail now or this time, beginning with everything that was happening with (the two races of) man and the land animals/beasts on day 6...

The whole of all the rest of the Bible (after Genesis 2:4) and even up to now, is all on day 6, and day 6 only, etc...

Day 7 begins after Armageddon or after Jesus returns to set up His Kingdom or rule and reign on earth, and that day will last until the end of this whole creations age final ending, etc...

The Garden of Eden was a special creation located in a specific region on the earth, and was populated with what would eventually become the race of the Sons of God both during and afterwards, etc, but that race, once they started encountering and began intermixing with the sons and daughters of men, were all but wiped out by the flood, which happened in the specific region of Mesopotamia, (where the original Son's of God were dwelling after the fall and after getting kicked out of the Garden), Anyway, were all but wiped out by a/the flood that happened there around 5700 BC, with only Noah and his family, and maybe Cain, remaining after that, etc, and they then eventually had no choice but to begin intermixing and interbreeding with the sons and daughters or men, or the other lesser race of man, after which their race and/or bloodline dwindled, or was made less, and became all but lost and/or gone after that, etc...

The original Sons of God, are called "just men made perfect", etc, but were of a different race or bloodline historically, etc, and began interbreeding with the other lesser race of man/men, etc, which in turn caused God to bring about the flood in their region, and wipe almost all of them out, etc...

And they lived perfectly, or their society was perfect really, but their great egotism and arrogance, resulted in them acting very wickedly, and when they began mixing with, and even interbreeding/crossbreeding with, the lesser race of man/men, etc, God had "had enough", etc, and that was "the last straw" concerning them for Him, etc, and so He decided to wipe out almost all of them from the face of the earth at that point, etc...

And then great egotism and/or arrogance persisted even yet again after the flood with the new race that had populated/re-populated there, etc, when they built the Tower of Babel, etc, when they then made or had caused God to have "had enough" yet again, etc, and the rest of that story you/me/we know, etc...

And it just seemed to keep happening again and again after that, etc...

But forget about about the whole arrogance/egotism of man and/or Sons of God for a minute, but let's just discuss the whole creation/evolution debate with what I just said, etc...

Questions so far...?

Discuss...?

God Bless!

 

[Tanj]

Questions so far...?

Nothing you have posted has anything whatsoever to so with evolution. Or creationism, for that matter.

You need to understand that evolution applies to all life on the planet, not just one bunch of humans from several thousand years ago.

Create a discussion around flatworms or cockroaches, or anything else which isn't just some group of people the bible says existed.

 

[Neogaia777]

This post is going to be about both creation and evolution being true or being a reality, based on this thread (below) and starting with some of my more recent posts in it (below)...

Genesis and Creation, Days are long "ages" ect...?

Genesis 1 to Genesis 2:4 it is describing a literal history of an entire creation from beginning to end, days 1 through 7... And in or after Genesis 2:4 or starting with Genesis 2:5, it begins to to describe "it" in detail now or this time, beginning with everything that was happening with (the two races of) man and the land animals/beasts on day 6...

The whole of all the rest of the Bible (after Genesis 2:4) and even up to now, is all on day 6, and day 6 only, etc...

Day 7 begins after Armageddon or after Jesus returns to set up His Kingdom or rule and reign on earth, and that day will last until the end of this whole creations age final ending, etc...

The Garden of Eden was a special creation located in a specific region on the earth, and was populated with what would eventually become the race of the Sons of God both during and afterwards, etc, but that race, once they started encountering and began intermixing with the sons and daughters of men, were all but wiped out by the flood, which happened in the specific region of Mesopotamia, (where the original Son's of God were dwelling after the fall and after getting kicked out of the Garden), Anyway, were all but wiped out by a/the flood that happened there around 5700 BC, with only Noah and his family, and maybe Cain, remaining after that, etc, and they then eventually had no choice but to begin intermixing and interbreeding with the sons and daughters or men, or the other lesser race of man, after which their race and/or bloodline dwindled, or was made less, and became all but lost and/or gone after that, etc...

The original Sons of God, are called "just men made perfect", etc, but were of a different race or bloodline historically, etc, and began interbreeding with the other lesser race of man/men, etc, which in turn caused God to bring about the flood in their region, and wipe almost all of them out, etc...

And they lived perfectly, or their society was perfect really, but their great egotism and arrogance, resulted in them acting very wickedly, and when they began mixing with, and even interbreeding/crossbreeding with, the lesser race of man/men, etc, God had "had enough", etc, and that was "the last straw" concerning them for Him, etc, and so He decided to wipe out almost all of them from the face of the earth at that point, etc...

And then great egotism and/or arrogance persisted even yet again after the flood with the new race that had populated/re-populated there, etc, when they built the Tower of Babel, etc, when they then made or had caused God to have "had enough" yet again, etc, and the rest of that story you/me/we know, etc...

And it just seemed to keep happening again and again after that, etc...

But forget about about the whole arrogance/egotism of man and/or Sons of God for a minute, but let's just discuss the whole creation/evolution debate with what I just said, etc...

Questions so far...?

Discuss...?

God Bless!

This might help in regards to this discussion as well, etc...

Day 1 and 2- The creation of the universe, formation of stars/planets, solar systems, etc, and our solar system, and the initial formation of the earth as a planet, creation and separating of "dimensions" like the separating of the Heavenly realms and/or dimensions, from the more physical ones, etc, beginnings of the atmosphere and beginnings of the literal seas on the earth on day 2, etc... Or whatever or however you interpret the "separating and dividing of waters from waters" to mean, etc, with the one(s) above being called "Heaven", etc...

Day 3- Dry land appears and is made apart from the sea or the seas on earth, etc, earth is very "volcanic" at the time, and the sky is still dark and covered with lots of clouds of dust and ash, some light shining through but not much yet, further formation of the atmosphere, and the very beginnings of very simple, extremely primitive plant life, in the form of algae, proteins and primitive bacteria maybe, etc, primordial ooze, etc, by the end of day 3 that is going to become more complex in Day 4...

Day 4- Sky begins to clear up, and the volcanic activity on the earth begins to settle down a bit, plant life, now having more light, begins to become more complex forms of plant life, the "revealing" of the sun and moon and stars on the earth due to the skies clearing up, etc...

Day 5- The age or era of sea life, sea creatures and sea animals begin to come about and become more complex by the beginning of day 6, plant life continuing to evolve and become more complex in or on both the land and in the sea, etc, no land animals yet, etc...

Day 6- The age of land animals and man, land animals come about for the first time (from the sea creatures), and become more complex, till they eventually lead to the first race of man coming about, and the fall happens with the greater race of Man (the original Sons of God) and in and with their special creation, (Garden of Eden), etc, we are still in day 6 now till the results of the fall are fixed or restored, then will begin day 7...

Day 7- The age or era of the rule and reign of Christ on earth and the setting up of God's Kingdom on earth which Christ will now lead, results or consequences of the fall are restored or fixed, (and we go back to being vegetarians again, etc), and this age will last until the end of the entire earth and the universe as we know it, etc, and then comes the very last final judgement of all, etc, and then a whole entire new one (creation) will be started and/or made over again, in which those who are truly saved by the end of it all will get to take part in (again), etc...

And then that will be the start of day 8, or day 1 all over again, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Nothing you have posted has anything whatsoever to so with evolution. Or creationism, for that matter.

You need to understand that evolution applies to all life on the planet, not just one bunch of humans from several thousand years ago.

Create a discussion around flatworms or cockroaches, or anything else which isn't just some group of people the bible says existed.

See what I just now posted then.

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

No vegetation had been made to sprout up in what would become the Garden of Eden yet in a certain area or region on or in the earth yet, but He caused it to come up there when He created the original Son of God (Adam) to take care of it, and live in it, etc...

And there might not have been rain in that region (Mesopotamia) afterwards either maybe, or there maybe might have been maybe, because that part I don't think the Bible actually specifically says actually, etc, but just that in the Garden of Eden there wasn't any rain at that time, etc...

The animals in the Garden of Eden might have been special ones, or special creations maybe as well maybe, etc, since they were not aggressive, and did not prey on one another, and all ate plants like cows basically, and were all vegetarian, etc, and they were probably made to go away or disappear along with the Garden of Eden when Adam (and Eve) were kicked out of it maybe, etc...

God Bless!

 

[JohnB445]

I looked at the debate with a search for truth.

Nobody can prove the age of the universe or evolution, these are only speculations not based on factual evidence, rather it is just a best guess of how everything unfolded.

THIS is what they fail to tell you. They don't tell you that it's proven just like how it's proven that the universe is made out of atoms.

Notice when they say the age of the Earth or Universe, these are only estimates, and what they THINK how old it is based off tools they used to measure it, not what they KNOW. It's not concrete hard evidence. Notice how science is always constantly changing? Back then they thought light was a wave, but it's actually a very tiny particle.

Back then they thought the Earth was much younger, and then changed it by a huge amount.

Best guesses, and estimates are not knowledge.

 

[Neogaia777]

I looked at the debate with a search for truth.

Nobody can prove the age of the universe or evolution, these are only speculations not based on factual evidence, rather it is just a best guess of how everything unfolded.

THIS is what they fail to tell you. They don't tell you that it's proven just like how it's proven that the universe is made out of atoms.

Notice when they say the age of the Earth or Universe, these are only estimates, and what they THINK how old it is based off tools they used to measure it, not what they KNOW. It's not concrete hard evidence. Notice how science is always constantly changing? Back then they thought light was a wave, but it's actually a very tiny particle.

Back then they thought the Earth was much younger, and then changed it by a huge amount.

Best guesses, and estimates are not knowledge.

It's much older than just only 6 days or 6,000 years old, and if it's not, then God is guilty of deception, which I will not believe, etc...

And I studied Geology in college, along with other sciences, etc, and the earth is much, much older than just only 6 days, or 6,000 years, etc, much much older, etc...

And I have also found nothing about what they say about the evolution of life, or species, to be untrue either, etc...

And I also think much of the language used in Genesis was used with the idea in mind of the kind of people it was speaking to at the time also, etc, but is also not an inaccurate account either, etc, which is why I am saying/proposing what I am saying/proposing right now, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

On day 5, during the age and/or era of the sea creatures, etc, it talks about "birds" also, etc, and the only thing I can say to that is, that we know that, more than likely, there evolved certain fish on the surface, or that had to stay closer to the surface, that more than likely grew or evolved a kind of wings kind of from their fins in order to evade or escape certain predators, etc, and if they could not actually fly, then they could at least jump or leap out of the water very high and glide for very long distances or long periods of time, etc, and that many of the land birds that we now know of and/or see today, or in the earths history, etc, could have actually evolved from them maybe, etc, the very first ones anyway, etc...

Or "after their kind", etc...

God Bless!

 

[Larniavc]

This post is going to be about both creation and evolution being true or being a reality, based on this thread (below) and starting with some of my more recent posts in it (below)...

Genesis and Creation, Days are long "ages" ect...?

Genesis 1 to Genesis 2:4 it is describing a literal history of an entire creation from beginning to end, days 1 through 7... And in or after Genesis 2:4 or starting with Genesis 2:5, it begins to to describe "it" in detail now or this time, beginning with everything that was happening with (the two races of) man and the land animals/beasts on day 6...

The whole of all the rest of the Bible (after Genesis 2:4) and even up to now, is all on day 6, and day 6 only, etc...

Day 7 begins after Armageddon or after Jesus returns to set up His Kingdom or rule and reign on earth, and that day will last until the end of this whole creations age final ending, etc...

The Garden of Eden was a special creation located in a specific region on the earth, and was populated with what would eventually become the race of the Sons of God both during and afterwards, etc, but that race, once they started encountering and began intermixing with the sons and daughters of men, were all but wiped out by the flood, which happened in the specific region of Mesopotamia, (where the original Son's of God were dwelling after the fall and after getting kicked out of the Garden), Anyway, were all but wiped out by a/the flood that happened there around 5700 BC, with only Noah and his family, and maybe Cain, remaining after that, etc, and they then eventually had no choice but to begin intermixing and interbreeding with the sons and daughters or men, or the other lesser race of man, after which their race and/or bloodline dwindled, or was made less, and became all but lost and/or gone after that, etc...

The original Sons of God, are called "just men made perfect", etc, but were of a different race or bloodline historically, etc, and began interbreeding with the other lesser race of man/men, etc, which in turn caused God to bring about the flood in their region, and wipe almost all of them out, etc...

And they lived perfectly, or their society was perfect really, but their great egotism and arrogance, resulted in them acting very wickedly, and when they began mixing with, and even interbreeding/crossbreeding with, the lesser race of man/men, etc, God had "had enough", etc, and that was "the last straw" concerning them for Him, etc, and so He decided to wipe out almost all of them from the face of the earth at that point, etc...

And then great egotism and/or arrogance persisted even yet again after the flood with the new race that had populated/re-populated there, etc, when they built the Tower of Babel, etc, when they then made or had caused God to have "had enough" yet again, etc, and the rest of that story you/me/we know, etc...

And it just seemed to keep happening again and again after that, etc...

But forget about about the whole arrogance/egotism of man and/or Sons of God for a minute, but let's just discuss the whole creation/evolution debate with what I just said, etc...

Questions so far...?

Discuss...?

God Bless!

You need to establish that God exists, first.

 

[Neogaia777]

You need to establish that God exists, first.

It's going to require some faith no matter what, etc...

But I can explain the possibility at least, very, very logically, etc...

But and/or because, just being able to follow what I am saying logically, is not absolute proof, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Larniavc]

It's going to require some faith no matter what, etc...

But I can explain the possibility at least, very, very logically, etc...

God Bless!

Then I don’t get the issue. Evolution happens and this can be shown historically and in a lab.

The same cannot be said of special creation.

 

[Tanj]

See what I just now posted then.

God Bless!

Day 1-2 have nothing to do with evolution.

Day 3 says plants and bacteria arrive at the same time despite the latter predating the former by about 2 billion years.

So far your solution is a very long way from being a solution.

 

[Neogaia777]

Then I don’t get the issue. Evolution happens and this can be shown historically and in a lab.

The same cannot be said of special creation.

Like I said, I can explain the possibility very much logically, but just being able to follow what I am saying logically, is not absolute proof, etc...

God Bless!

 

[trophy33]

I think the solution is called "theistic evolution" - accepting both evolution and the existence and providence of God.

It rather seems you are trying to find solution for how to read Genesis literally and still keep evolution - a day-age explanation.

For me, Genesis 1 is a dramatical poetry, not a technical account of our history.

 

[Neogaia777]

Day 1-2 have nothing to do with evolution.

Day 3 says plants and bacteria arrive at the same time despite the latter predating the former by about 2 billion years.

So far your solution is a very long way from being a solution.

I said bacteria, proteins, etc, but the Bible says nothing about it, but they probably did both start or occur on day 3, etc...

And that is still consistent with evolutionary theory, etc...

That "that" (day or age or period of time) was the start of life, etc...

By day 4 we have it starting to become more complex due to the sky becoming clearer and the volcanic activity settling down a bit, etc...

And by day 5 we actually have animals and sea creatures, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

It rather seems you are trying to find solution for how to read Genesis literally and still keep evolution - a day-age explanation.

I think I have found the solution, and am trying to give it to those who will listen.

For me, Genesis 1 is a dramatical poetry, not a technical account of our history.

Well, "good for you", but it is not that way for me.

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

@Tanj

You also have to consider also, that the language of Genesis was also written in a way so that the people of or at that time could understand it also, or as well, etc...

And they didn't know of or about a lot of things, etc...

But I still don't think it's an inaccurate account, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Tanj]

I said bacteria, proteins, etc, but the Bible says nothing about it, but they probably did both start or occur on day 3, etc...

And that is still consistent with evolutionary theory, etc...

No, it isn't. And really that's the main issue. You are trying to reconcile a theory you have no real understanding of. Where does this level of hubris come from?

 

[Neogaia777]

No, it isn't. And really that's the main issue. You are trying to reconcile a theory you have no real understanding of. Where does this level of hubris come from?

Well, first off, why don't you just simply tell me why it isn't, instead of just saying so, etc...?

And then secondly, maybe also tell me exactly where it is that you are thinking I am having a lack of understanding maybe also, etc...?

And I'll just ignore your comment about "hubris", etc, because I am not a proud man, etc...

God Bless!

 

[trophy33]

I think I have found the solution, and am trying to give it to those who will listen.

Seems as another form of day-age theory, there are many of those.

But none are really in line with the evolution theory or current cosmology.

BTW your explanation is very similar to that of Hugh Ross and to reasons.org, you can find it interesting source for you.