solution to bad parenting?

[redmartian89]

A friend of mine quite recently proposed a "solution" to abusive and neglegent parenting.

He proposes that the state raises kids till the time they reach adulthood, through a new regime of education.

I told him that this idea runs counter to freedom; but he counters that it is not.

I told him that the idea was statist to the nth degree. He counters with "what about the abused kids?" and I said "let them work it out by the child protection laws and they'll support themselves"

I also mentioned that the kids not interested should not be forced to continue with it, but he disagrees, claiming they cannot make their own choices.

I cannot explain it fully, but the idea sounds way too much like Brave New World. But this technique, as far as I know, remains untested.

I am conflicted over it because, on the one hand, there are really good parents out there and freedom of choice in education is part of liberty, but, on the other hand, the abuse of kids by parents is a breach of rights as well.

On Tuesday, a 20-yr old mother came home to see her 1-yr old stabbed to death by the kid's great uncle in order to "get rid of demons" in the child.

Would this new regime solve this problem?

Anyone here support this idea?

Am I being elitist in not supporting this "equalizing" idea?

Is parental abuse necessary cause for a new governmental agency, or should this idea be run by businesses, if at all?

 

[Im_A]

A friend of mine quite recently proposed a "solution" to abusive and neglegent parenting.

He proposes that the state raises kids till the time they reach adulthood, through a new regime of education.

I told him that this idea runs counter to freedom; but he counters that it is not.

I told him that the idea was statist to the nth degree. He counters with "what about the abused kids?" and I said "let them work it out by the child protection laws and they'll support themselves"

I also mentioned that the kids not interested should not be forced to continue with it, but he disagrees, claiming they cannot make their own choices.

I cannot explain it fully, but the idea sounds way too much like Brave New World. But this technique, as far as I know, remains untested.

I am conflicted over it because, on the one hand, there are really good parents out there and freedom of choice in education is part of liberty, but, on the other hand, the abuse of kids by parents is a breach of rights as well.

On Tuesday, a 20-yr old mother came home to see her 1-yr old stabbed to death by the kid's great uncle in order to "get rid of demons" in the child.

Would this new regime solve this problem?

Anyone here support this idea?

Am I being elitist in not supporting this "equalizing" idea?

Is parental abuse necessary cause for a new governmental agency, or should this idea be run by businesses, if at all?

i think it is a fine line between how a government gets involved with raising children.

but his cure is the only quick fix. either that, or regulate how many babies a couple can have to cut the statistical possibility for abuse and bad parenting.

until then, human beings will create as much as they want and screw up the kids, or raise them right. a risk that seems inevitable in any sense.

 

[MorkandMindy]

I think the community is the key

A one-year old for example at home is soon climbing up the walls in a manner of speaking, but out walking around the village other moms say 'what a good baby'

He is always great when he is out. I think he is bored at home

And children are content with their cousins, seem able to just leave them together forever, they need no one else

But that is what a community has been for thousands of years - a group of related children with moms mixed in and fathers around sometimes,

Abandoning community living is making a rod for our own backs

 

[MorkandMindy]

It is also better for the children

At present a lot of boys are oldest children and therefore have no older child to have to fit in with,

Ditto youngest child have no one to lead.

A child should be the youngest child and progress thereby developing all possible roles in their personality

This nuclear family stuff stinks.

 

[MorkandMindy]

American Christian Fundamentalist teaching is no cure for doing things wrong

religious stuff might be worth lookin at, but only if god exists

and if the religious people could agree on anything

til then (thousands of years in the future) we'd better get back some of the way to the way humans used to live, look up bonobo for some clues. No, we are too intelligent to be just like them, but some compromises are essential.

Given the choice between reality and myths, if it's important then you'd better at least seriously look at reality.

 

[Solidlyhere]

OK, as I understand the OP, the idea is:
1) People give birth to a child;
2) The government takes the child away;
3) That child is nursed by a government employee;
4) That child is housed and clothed and educated by a government employee;
5) When that child is 18, he gets to live his own Life.

If this is the OP situation, then I have some thoughts:
1) there are 50 million kids to be raised and educated;
2a) the gov't must hire 50 million child-care workers to provide shelter for those 50 million kids; OR
2b) the gov't must set-up ONE million Orphanages, to provide shelter for those kids.

The CPS already has a system for the "lousy" parents:
1) Take the kid away, and let another person raise him until adulthood;
2) If the parents REALLY want their kid back, they have to prove that they have (somehow) become a "good" parent.
So, this proposed Society is just CPS taking MORE kids away from their parents, and placing them in Foster Care (or Orphanages).

As far as: "the state raises kids till the time they reach adulthood, through a new regime of education" ... I don't know what that even means. Could the OP explain what this "new regime" could possbily mean? This sounds like a silly addition to make people afraid of the concept.

So, to the OP I ask: "How can you get so upset about a person suggesting an alternate Lifestyle?"
You shouldn't study about other Cultures, because there are a few Countries which do "odd" things, and this stuff is TRUE.