Sola Scriptural or Traditions of Men?

[BobRyan]

So "Scripture alone" didn't mean that the Bible is the only source of truth

It means that the Bible is the standard by which all tradition, prophecy, revelation, doctrine is to be judged. It does not mean those other sources do not exist nor does it mean that all of them would fail when tested against the Bible.

 

[smithed64]

It means that the Bible is the standard by which all tradition, prophecy, revelation, doctrine is to be judged. It does not mean those other sources do not exist nor does it mean that all of them would fail when tested against the Bible.

As long as the other sources are Truthful.

 

[BobRyan]

As long as the other sources are Truthful.

the whole point of the sola scriptura test is to see if that is the case.,

 

[BryanMaloney]

Sola Scriptura is a tradition of men. Where in Scripture is there the definitive list of what is to be in Scripture? Any table of contents was added later--BY MEN.

 

[amadeois]

The Scriptures were inspired by God through the power of the Holy Spirit.

The traditions of men were inspired by men.

Which is the one that has power and is the truth?

A VERY SIMPLE ANSWER.

 

[BobRyan]

Sola Scriptura is a tradition of men. Where in Scripture is there the definitive list of what is to be in Scripture? .

NO TEXT in all of scripture says "we don't know what scripture is".

Luke 24:27 Christ taught them "beginning with Moses and the prophets... from ALL of SCRIPTURE" -- They knew about it.

Acts 17:11 "they studied the SCRIPTURES daily to see IF those things spoken by Paul were SO"

2 Tim 3:16 "ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration from God and to be used for DOCTRINE and for CORRECTION"

 

[BobRyan]

Notice what Jesus said about the obligation of others - when it comes to the "Commandment of God" -- the "Word of God" and "Moses said" -- in Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Certainly from their point of view they would never have accused themselves of diminishing the Ten Commandments in the least.

But what does Christ accuse them of doing?

1. Using their own traditions to nullify one of the Ten Commandments.
2. He calls the Ten Commandments "Moses says" -- and "the Word of God" and "the Commandment of God"
3. He argues that even though they do not claim to be setting aside one of the Commandments of God - they in fact are by observing the example he gives in the case of the 5th Commandment.
4. He argues that this is just one example of the many things they do with their traditions - in this way - nullifying the Word of God. Contradicting the Commandment of God - one of the TEN.
5. He states that it nullifies their worship.
6. Jesus is not defending their additions -- he is defending God's Commandments


And notice how Eph 6:2 uses that same Commandment - predicating it's affirmative on the basis of a still valid unit of TEN in which the command to honor Parents is the "FIRST commandment with a promise"!![

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

The term "Sola Scriptural" is meant by relying wholly upon and only in Scripture as the basis for Church doctrines and practices. If one doesn't base one's beliefs on Scripture, what does one base it upon? The Talmud?

Make no mistake, practices like kneeling down while praying are fine as long as it's done in humility before God. God doesn't care about your physical position while you pray, it's about your state of mind. Are you driven to prostrate yourself before God, or are you kneeling down for the sake of doing it? Tradition for the interests of tradition. Do as you are told, that's tradition.

What is the purpose of church tradition and observance? Many do it unquestionably because that's what they think Christianity is. Unless one can explain the purpose of a particular Church tradition and its foundation in scripture, is it necessary to follow the custom? Is Christianity a religion based on tradition or is it based on the truth? Can truth be known without scripture as the measuring rod? For beliefs to be valid, it must not contradict the Word of God. There's nothing worst than unbiblical traditions. Scripture gives us a solid ground on which to base Church beliefs and doctrines.

As been written in 2 Timothy 3:16, All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.

It is based upon tradition, because the earliest of churches were going off the very words of the apostles themselves, before Paul sent any letters, and before the gospels were written down.

 

[BobRyan]

It is based upon tradition, because the earliest of churches were going off the very words of the apostles themselves, before Paul sent any letters, and before the gospels were written down.

Just not in real life --

in real life these texts tell us what they were doing in the NT -

Luke 24:27 Christ taught them "beginning with Moses and the prophets... from ALL of SCRIPTURE" -- They knew about it.

Acts 17:11 "they studied the SCRIPTURES daily to see IF those things spoken by Paul were SO"

2 Tim 3:16 "ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration from God and to be used for DOCTRINE and for CORRECTION"

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Hence there is not a single QUOTE of Peter, Paul, Luke, John by any other writer when quoting what they call "Scripture" or "IT is Written" or "The Holy Spirit said" -- in EVERY case they quote SCRIPTURE - as known to them in the Hebrew Bible - already fully canonized 300 + years before Christ - according to their contemporary -- Josephus.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It means that the Bible is the standard by which all tradition, prophecy, revelation, doctrine is to be judged. It does not mean those other sources do not exist nor does it mean that all of them would fail when tested against the Bible.

Yes, Amein, TRUE.
Reading the title before this post,
I realized simply it is not a matter of sola-scriptural nor traditions of men ,
but LIFE IN Y'SHUA, FOLLOWING Y'SHUA, ABIDING IN Y'SHUA ECHAD as it is written.
Any heresy that contradicts Y'SHUA,
and heresy opposed to YHWH,
any heresy that contradicts YHWH'S WORD
is not even given a thought, let alone any authority.

As long as the other sources are Truthful.

They are not usually Truthful.
That's why they (everything) are tested all the time, NEVER accepted as true until AFTER testing/ verifying.

Sola Scriptura is a tradition of men. Where in Scripture is there the definitive list of what is to be in Scripture? Any table of contents was added later--BY MEN.

Such is the enemy's deception. YHWH GUARDS HIS WORD (HE PUT IT TOGETHER)
more than HE GUARDS HIS OWN NAME.
HE never lets it fail. Never. Not ever.

The Scriptures were inspired by God through the power of the Holy Spirit.
The traditions of men were inspired by men.
Which is the one that has power and is the truth?
A VERY SIMPLE ANSWER.

Amein. HALLELUYAH ! YES< SIMPLE > < TRUTH >

It is based upon tradition, because the earliest of churches were going off the very words of the apostles themselves, before Paul sent any letters, and before the gospels were written down.

No. See the next post.
The assemblies actually did not do very well either,
after the Apostles "slept" . (died).
The wolves that the Apostles warned about,
did exactly as the Apostles said they would,
and not many, if any, assemblies survived.
They were torn apart from the inside,
or taken over, "from the inside" by deceived ones ... ... ...
The ones who remained faithful, were driven 'underground' ... or executed.

 

[prodromos]

The assemblies actually did not do very well either,
after the Apostles "slept" . (died).
The wolves that the Apostles warned about,
did exactly as the Apostles said they would,
and not many, if any, assemblies survived.
They were torn apart from the inside,
or taken over, "from the inside" by deceived ones ... ... ...
The ones who remained faithful, were driven 'underground' ... or executed.

And then they magically reappeared around the time of the Reformation or the establishment of <insert your Church here>.

Of course history does not back up the above claims.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. My question, then, is how the sincere can determine which of the vast number of traditions, if any, is actually God's tradition.

By searching the Scriptures.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. My question, then, is how the sincere can determine which of the vast number of traditions, if any, is actually God's tradition.

Sincere or not, I don't know about.

"Knowing" first happened for me (after being saved) by revelation from Y'SHUA in SPIRIT. Before being saved, nothing was known right or wrong (concerning 'church' activity or practices or doctrines or life).
All totally confirmed by HIS WORD (after reading , actually reading the BIBLE, thru and thru, again and again, daily or frequently) all along, forever, always.