Sola Scriptura

[Svt4Him]

I always find this a very funny statement from catholics. They claim to be the one and only genuine original church there from the beginning, yet they certainly burden down their members with much more than the earliest church and Holy Spirit saw fit to do.

Now unless as a catholic the only burden you place on your "church" members adheres to AC 15:28 than you are certainly not the church discribed in AC 15:28!

You can scream you are the one and only genuine original church as long as you want... I just don't believe it... Have never believed it... Will never believe it!!!

AC 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Not to hijack a thread that has been hijacked already, you will never convince a RC that they aren't the original church, any more than you will convince a Mason they weren't around when Solomon built his temple. These are religious axioms that are deeply held by the denomination, no matter what facts support.

 

[thereselittleflower]

This isn't about if the Catholic Church is the one true Church, it is about what type of Orthodox view poiint Reformed Baptist is looking for . . and so far, his explanations leave the issue more confused than ever . .. please don't hijack the thread by attacking Catholicism - (it is easy to attack another's faith in a forum where they are not allowed to defend it) . .

Let's talk about Reformed Baptist's topic.

RB . . are you Baptist? Whether or not you call yourself Protestant or not has really nothing to do with it . . you either want an orthodox Catholic/Orthodox view point or you want (a much more limited and historically newer) Orthodox Protestant view point . . . any other Christian view point is not orthodox. To have an orthodox view point, you have to have an organizational structure in which to have it . . . by distancing yourself from Protestantism you do not distance your question from an orthodox Protestant view point. . . So by the way you are phrasing your question and how you have responded to my post, you are making it impossible for anyone to answer . .

If you were asking a Jew for an Orthodox Jewish view point, you would go to the Orthodox Jews . . not some of the other groups within Judiasm . .

You can either get an Orthodox Protestant view point which is solely within historical Protestantism, or if you want to open the discussion to take in all of Christianity, you can get an ancient, historical Catholic/Orthodox view point . . anything esle is, by definition, not orthodox . . .

Whether you agree or not is besides the point . . .

Again, it has nothing to do with whether or not you consider yourself to be "protestant" or not (by the way, the last time I looked, the Baptist denomination is considered one of the many Protestant denominations - whether they protest anything or not . . . )


Peace in Him!

 

[FreeinChrist]

Well, it is interesting to read this thread and see how successful some are in turning the discussion away from the topic by going off into tangents, nitpicking and getting offended when no offense is intended. Sad.....

I believe Reformed Protestant explained himself quite well, And he is posting within the the context of the forum - this IS the Protestant forum.

 

[FreeinChrist]

This isn't about if the Catholic Church is the one true Church, it is about what type of Orthodox view poiint Reformed Baptist is looking for . . and so far, his explanations leave the issue more confused than ever . .. please don't hijack the thread by attacking Catholicism - (it is easy to attack another's faith in a forum where they are not allowed to defend it) . .

I believe it was hijacked already by those that what to argue what Reformed meant by orthodox.

 

[Reformed Baptist]

The truth is, I don't care what the Roman (Latin, Byzantine) Catholic Church or the Eastern Orthodox view is...just plain Bible (only) Christians have to say...that is what this forum is for...isn't it?

 

[ej]

The truth is, I don't care what the Roman (Latin, Byzantine) Catholic Church or the Eastern Orthodox view is...just plain Bible (only) Christians have to say...that is what this forum is for...isn't it?

Yes, this is the Protestant, Reformed and Evangelical forum. Non-PRE members are allowed to ask questions but not to debate. When this succeeds, the threads are great and very helpful and informative.

 

[thereselittleflower]

I believe it was hijacked already by those that what to argue what Reformed meant by orthodox.

I am simply trying to understand what Reformed MEANS by Orthodox!


Peace in Him!

 

[thereselittleflower]

The truth is, I don't care what the Roman (Latin, Byzantine) Catholic Church or the Eastern Orthodox view is...just plain Bible (only) Christians have to say...that is what this forum is for...isn't it?

Yes Reformed . . but we like to follow these discussions to better understand what people in this forum are saying . . and when it gets confusing to us, it is not hijaking the thread to seek clarification . .

You asked specifically about an Orthodox view, but then have not told us what you mean by that in a way that is in any way clear . . so please understand our confusion . .

I still don't know what you mean . . and Orthodox view is one of different views by its very definition . . you can't just ask what plain Bible (only) Christians have to say and then label whatever is said as Orthodox . . there is an Orthodox view with in the group you just defined, and then there are other more liberal views . .

You leave us no way of understanding what you mean . .

If you don't want to, then so be it . . . but your results will be flawed because you did not clearly define it . .


Peace in Him!

 

[FreeinChrist]

The truth is, I don't care what the Roman (Latin, Byzantine) Catholic Church or the Eastern Orthodox view is...just plain Bible (only) Christians have to say...that is what this forum is for...isn't it?

Yep!

 

[seebs]

The truth is, I don't care what the Roman (Latin, Byzantine) Catholic Church or the Eastern Orthodox view is...just plain Bible (only) Christians have to say...that is what this forum is for...isn't it?

Not necessarily. Not all Protestants are "Bible only".

 

[Reformed Baptist]

Not necessarily. Not all Protestants are "Bible only".

And I don't want there view either...

 

[orthedoxy]

Does the Bible teach sola scriptura?

 

[Reformed Baptist]

Does the Bible teach sola scriptura?

The Bible teaches that it is God breathed and speaks nothing of tradition being God breathed. I will follow the Bible. Oh, but what is the tradition of the apostles?

"For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of the grass. [sounds like tradition] The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: BUT THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURETH FOR EVER. And this is the Word which by the Gospel is preached unto you." (1 Pet. 1:24-25).

They taught what became the written word of God and that will last forever.

 

[stephen1964]

As an Episcopalian I do not subscribe to Sola Scriptura. However we define scripture as:
Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation. In the name of the Holy Scripture we do understand those canonical Books of the Old and New Testament, of whose authority was never any doubt in the Church.

This means that scriptures contains all things necessary for salvation, but does not close the door and say that nothing else can add to our understanding of God. Our faith stands on Scripture, tradition and reason (often referred to as a three-legged stool, without any one leg, the stool will fall).

 

[Reformed Baptist]

So Anglicanism teaches that human reason is divine? Should be look at what is happening in the Anglican Communion World Wide to see how the 'three legged stool' is standing?

 

[stephen1964]

We are created in God's image, so our reason is God given. Like everything else in this fallen world, it is not perfect, but it would be disrespectful not to use the intellect that we are given.

The schism in the Anglican communion shows that there are honest differences between Christians over issues such as homosexuality and interpretation of scriptures. Just reading a few of the threads on this site would confirm that observation. Our church is just honest enough to bring this debate out in the open.

 

[Reformed Baptist]

Human reason is faulty, it's human.

 

[stephen1964]

Reason may be faulty but God wouldn't have given it to us if we weren't supposed to use it.

 

[kimber1]

And I don't want there view either

that's pretty closed-minded don't you think? can i ask you honestly RB what is your problem with tradition really? i'm curious.

 

[eldermike]

Adam used reason. In fact He reasoned with Satan. God gave us reason, so why not use it? He gave us anger, why not use that? He gave us greed, why not use that?