Sola Scriptura

[Standing Up]

The very rocks would have cried out ... but that's in scripture IIRC.

 

[dollarsbill]

It depends on whether you reject them out of ignorance or whether you reject them knowing that they are true. I would imagine that very few people reject what they know to be true so that most Baptised Protestants fall under the category of being saved.

I reject them because I don't believe them. What now?

 

[dollarsbill]

How so? Christians have entered into the life of Christ through Baptism.

So you're preaching that we must be baptized to be saved?

 

[dollarsbill]

I still read it as saying the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.

But the question would be, which Church? I suggest that the Church is not a HUGE organization. The Church of God is His people.

 

[dollarsbill]

We covered already that the saved are Baptised Christians, both Catholics and non-Catholics, didn't we?

And no doubt some who haven't been baptized.

 

[Montalban]

But the question would be, which Church? I suggest that the Church is not a HUGE organization. The Church of God is His people.

Who do his Will.

 

[Abrahamist]

But the question would be, which Church? I suggest that the Church is not a HUGE organization. The Church of God is His people.

The Church that trace it's beginning all the way to Christ. The Catholic and the Orthodox churches can do this and they all have a religious practice that is very similar to one another (some Orthodox Churches are in communion with Rome).

Every one of the reformation churches or protestant churches are separated from the source by 1500 years and many of protestant churches engage in a religious practice that shares little or nothing in common with the Orthodox and/or Catholic religions. I tend to not even think of protestantism as even being Christianity for this reason. I certainly do not recognize the religion I find in many protestant churches as being anything like my own. They claim the same Bible and the call their deity by the same name but their doctrine and practice is further from my own religion than some nonChristian practices.

 

[Albion]

I know someone who left the Church for Calvary Chapel, and I believe that she is saved.

Not to badger you, but you normally cite the church's official stance. Why are you resorting to a personal feeling in this case?

 

[daydreamergurl15]

Absolutely. The writings themselves didn't testify to their own authenticity. The church testified to their authenticity. This is the basis of tradition!

You'd almost think from reading people's posts over the years that sola scripturists think that the bible authorised and organised itself.

It was in fact the church Jesus established that bore witness to the truth BEFORE the bible was compiled

God testified to it's own authenticity when God breathed life into those writings. You can't transfer God's authority and say that the church has the final authority. If the book of John was not God breathed then rest assure even if the church liked it, it doesn't become Holy nor Scripture because we don't have that power. Man can pretend to create that power, but if Scripture contradicts what man have said, then man's doctrine has to go, always side with God.

1 Thes. 2:4
4 But as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, even so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who tests our hearts.

Galatians 1:11-12
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Thes 2:13
For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe.

2 John 1:4
I rejoiced greatly that I have found some of your children walking in truth, as we received commandment from the Father.​

God is the authority, the stamp of approval comes through Him and the church accept it.

And like I said before, the majority of Scriptures was lived before it was written and it wasn't any less Scripture.

 

[dollarsbill]

The Church that trace it's beginning all the way to Christ. The Catholic and the Orthodox churches can do this and they all have a religious practice that is very similar to one another (some Orthodox Churches are in communion with Rome).

Every one of the reformation churches or protestant churches are separated from the source by 1500 years and many of protestant churches engage in a religious practice that shares little or nothing in common with the Orthodox and/or Catholic religions. I tend to not even think of protestantism as even being Christianity for this reason. I certainly do not recognize the religion I find in many protestant churches as being anything like my own. They claim the same Bible and the call their deity by the same name but their doctrine and practice is further from my own religion than some nonChristian practices.

I don't believe Catholic doctrines are Biblical doctrines. Therefore I think that you are stating your opinions not facts.

 

[Montalban]

God testified to it's own authenticity when God breathed life into those writings.

So the Gospel of John says "This really really really is God-breathed"?

 

[daydreamergurl15]

So you're preaching that we must be baptized to be saved?

Oh Scripture makes it known the necessity of baptism for salvation. You should make a thread on that and I'll happily reply. In this thread, it would be going off topic.

 

[Montalban]

I don't believe Catholic doctrines are Biblical doctrines. Therefore I think that you are stating your opinions not facts.

Where does the bible say that the bible alone is the test?

 

[Tzaousios]

I don't believe Catholic doctrines are Biblical doctrines. Therefore I think that you are stating your opinions not facts.

Obviously. What about Orthodox doctrines, though?

 

[Montalban]

Obviously. What about Orthodox doctrines, though?

 

[daydreamergurl15]

So the Gospel of John says "This really really really is God-breathed"?

No! The Holy Spirit through the writer said "In the beginning was the Word..." and proceed to be a witness.

 

[dollarsbill]

Where does the bible say that the bible alone is the test?

Whatever disagrees with the Bible is in error. That should be obvious.

 

[dollarsbill]

Obviously. What about Orthodox doctrines, though?

I'm not familiar with 'Orthodox' enough to comment.

 

[Tzaousios]

I'm not familiar with 'Orthodox' enough to comment.

That is probably a good idea. What makes you think you are familiar enough with Catholicism to comment?

 

[dollarsbill]

That is probably a good idea. What makes you think you are familiar enough with Catholicism to comment?

What makes you think I'm not?