Sola Scriptura defined....

[Meowzltov]

Do you believe that the Holy Spirit only allows scripture to be understood if one is at or above a certain rank within a particular denomination?

I believe that the Church as a whole has authority, so that the traditional way a verse has been interpreted is the right way, and when someone comes along 1500 years later and interprets it in a novel way, they are wrong. I also think that when the bishops come together in an Ecumenical Council, that the HS directly guides them infallibly in terms of doctrine.

 

[Phil 1:21]

I believe that the Church as a whole has authority, so that the traditional way a verse has been interpreted is the right way, and when someone comes along 1500 years later and interprets it in a novel way, they are wrong. I also think that when the bishops come together in an Ecumenical Council, that the HS directly guides them infallibly in terms of doctrine.

So that's a yes. Thanks.

"At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom." Matthew 27:51a

 

[Meowzltov]

So that's a yes. Thanks.

"At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom." Matthew 27:51a

the "Church as a whole" is not those at a heirarchy above. But it isn't individuals either.

 

[Phil 1:21]

the "Church as a whole" is not those at a heirarchy above. But it isn't individuals either.

The “Church as a whole” is made up of individuals.

 

[Meowzltov]

The “Church as a whole” is made up of individuals.

Please don't pretend you don't understand what I'm saying. There is a difference between a group making one decision, and a bunch of individuals each coming to their own (and different) conclusions.

 

[Major1]

Well, one can be of the opinion that the Catholic Church has no authority to interpret. It's an option. But there is no rational option to say that one has personal authority to interpret since such an idea has only led to sinful division within the Church. Bad doctrine leads to sin.

What you said is true.

Actually the Bible itself says in 1 Peter 1:20..........
"knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation."

So then, allow me to ask you if what YOU believe is because of what the Scriptures actually say or do you believe the Roman Catholic Church is the one true church and have given the meaning to you?
I think that the second question is probably the one that fits from reading your opinion and If so, then I have some questions for you.

1). By what authority do you interpret the word of God?
2). How do you know your interpretations of the Scriptures are correct?
3). Are you giving a private interpretation of the word of God?
4). Are you interpreting these verses for yourself without the authority of the Roman Catholic Church?5). Are you subjecting the entire Roman Catholic Church to your interpretation of Scripture and thereby concluding it is true?

So now answer this..........If you reply that you were just reading what the Scriptures say, then when I do the same thing and conclude that the Roman Catholic Church is not the true church, then you can't argue with me since I also am interpreting the Scriptures the same as you.
But, if you say that I am wrong and you are right, then how do you know without asserting your own authority??????? THINK!

But, if you believe the Roman Catholic Church is the one true church and it has the authority to interpret Scripture, then you don't have the authority to interpret it in a manner different from what they tell you it means--which is the same as not being able to interpret at all without it being your own "private interpretation."

Do you understand the box that the RCC has placed you in?????

Let me go on. If you believe what the Scriptures say and your conclusion is that the Roman Catholic Church is true, then you are subjecting the entire Roman Catholic Church to the validity of your own interpretations.

Do you see the problem from your perspective?

You and ALL Catholic believers are required to subject yourself to whatever the Roman Catholic Church tells you is true, yet you do the opposite when you look at Scripture to judge the Roman Catholic Church to be true.

 

[Major1]

The “Church as a whole” is made up of individuals.

Yes........Individual SINNERS.

 

[Major1]

Please don't pretend you don't understand what I'm saying. There is a difference between a group making one decision, and a bunch of individuals each coming to their own (and different) conclusions.

What is the difference???? Both "groups" are SINNERS!

One is called a church and the other is called a "bunch of people."

If I am correct, one has a tax exempt status the other does not.

The "Church" which is a bunch of sinners can come up with a wrong exegesis just like the "bunch of individuals" who are sinners as they are both the same.

In case it matters........every single church that has ever existed began as a "Bunch of individuals" and actually stayed that way after incorporating as a church.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Please don't pretend you don't understand what I'm saying. There is a difference between a group making one decision, and a bunch of individuals each coming to their own (and different) conclusions.

I understand exactly what you’re saying...sadly. I was once in your shoes.

 

[Major1]

the "Church as a whole" is not those at a heirarchy above. But it isn't individuals either.

May I say to you that a "church" as seen in the NT comes from the Greek term ekklesia which is formed from two Greek words meaning "an assembly" and "to call out" or "called out ones." This means the New Testament church is a body of believers who have been called out from the world by God to live as his people under the authority of Jesus Christ

The bottom line mu sister is that God has put all things under the authority of Christ and has made him head over all things for the benefit of the church.

Eph. 1:22-23..........
"And the church is his body; it is made full and complete by Christ, who fills all things everywhere with himself."

This group of believers is "the body of Christ" which began in Acts 2 on the Day of Pentecost through the work of the Holy Spirit and will continue to be formed until the day of the rapture of the church.

 

[tulipbee]

I take it you adhere to the doctrine of sola scriptura--the bible alone, correct?

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what a bomb ! if I were the last man on earth and no one to preach to then the bible would be alone. protestants don't mean sola scriptura to be what you think. protestants do obey elders and pastors and sacraments. are you that upset we don't obey your pope ? he isn't my local church.

 

[tulipbee]

You need to understand that our dear friend you are speaking with is a master at playing games.

If you have not seen that, you soon will.

elects don't play games

 

[tulipbee]

Sola Scriptura my brother. The Bible is the Word of God or it is nothing but another book written by men.

Did God say it?
Can God lie?
Is hell real?

If and when we all get those the questions Biblically correct, the rest is a piece of cake.

66 books are authored by God. the extras in the 73 books are not authored by God. I know the protestants bible is breathed by God. I know for sure the extras are not.

 

[tulipbee]

tulipbee, I hope that you won't let Maj1' comment on post #254......



deter you from our discussion. Please understand, these so-called "games" Maj1 is referring to, are nothing more than comments and or questions he had difficulty or simply couldn't answer. The questions/comments that may come up in our conversation, (questions he may have construed as difficult) you, in most likelihood may not. I would hope that he (Maj1) would give you the courtesy to figure that out for yourself.

Thank you.

ha ha, I know what trolls are

 

[Major1]

66 books are authored by God. the extras in the 73 books are not authored by God. I know the protestants bible is breathed by God. I know for sure the extras are not.

We agree!

The Apocrypha is "Occultic" and was proven un-inspired 2000 years ago and nothing has changed that.

 

[Major1]

elects don't play games

I agree.

 

[Major1]

ha ha, I know what trolls are

Do they have long hair and beards and walk with a limp?

 

[tulipbee]

Do they have long hair and beards and walk with a limp?

I have long hair and beard and walk with a limp

 

[Major1]

I believe that the Church as a whole has authority, so that the traditional way a verse has been interpreted is the right way, and when someone comes along 1500 years later and interprets it in a novel way, they are wrong. I also think that when the bishops come together in an Ecumenical Council, that the HS directly guides them infallibly in terms of doctrine.

So then, I am assuming that you are referring to the doctrine of Grace introduced by Martin Luther in 1560 or so.

You do realize that what he brought out was from the Scriptures which were written 1500 years before and just sat there in the Popes office waiting to be taught.......right?

What about the church? The church was not in existence until Paul brought it forth in the Scriptures.
Until Paul told us what the church was, it was a mystery.......unknown!

Do you reject the doctrine of salvation by grace alone because Luther expounded it or because the Catholic Popes did NOT expound it. Either way, it is still found in the very same place of Ephesians 2:8-9.

 

[PeaceB]

66 books are authored by God. the extras in the 73 books are not authored by God. I know the protestants bible is breathed by God. I know for sure the extras are not.

Exactly how is it that you know the 66 books are authored by God? How is it that you know the other books are not?