Sola Scriptura defined....

[Major1]

Say's who?

Read the Scriptures my friend.....God says so!!!

In the Bible, sensuality is always listed with other evils that include sexual promiscuity and perversion. Also known as “lewdness” or “debauchery,” sensuality can be defined as “devotion to gratifying bodily appetites; free indulgence in carnal pleasures.”

The word sensuality comes from the root word sense, which pertains to our five senses. The Greek word most often translated as “sensuality” means “outrageous conduct, shocking to public decency; wanton violence.” Sensuality is a total devotion to the gratification of the senses, to the exclusion of soul and spirit.

Sensuality is an abuse of our God-given gifts. Those caught up in sensuality abuse the gift of sight by feasting the eyes on forbidden images such as pornography. They may feast the ears on ungodly conversation, jokes, or music as seen in Ephesians 5:4.

Those given to sensuality will indulge in “wild parties” according to the Bible in 1 Peter 4:3, drug and alcohol abuse, sexual immorality, and foolishness. The sensual follow the sinful desires of the flesh without boundaries or restraint.

Ephesians 4:19 says of the ungodly that...........
“having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed.”

 

[Meowzltov]

Protestants believers also have the Real Presence of the Holy Spirit.

You lack Real Presence in communion, which is Biblical, thus you are missing out on your spiritual birthright.

They have the ability of anointing the sick.
They also have the assurance of laying on of hands.

Because you don't have valid apostolic succession, your rites are invalid as well. What you are actually doing is simply praying for people.

They also have the ability confess as God leads the

All you do is confess to God. James tells us that we are to confess one to another -- auricular confession. If all we do is confess to God, then we are disobedient to scripture.

They also have Baptism.m to.[sic]

Yes you do, but you don't understand that it is salvific as Scripture teaches.

They have ... 2000 years of church history.

No, Protestantism began in the 16th century.

They do not have Mary as the Queen of heaven because that is simply not a Bible term so it does not apply.

Revelation 12, the mother of the messiah standing on the moon, clothed in the sun, crowned with stars.

Neither do they have 7 or 8 crusades that killed millions in the name of religion.

Neither do they have the Inquisition which no one know how many died.

No, they have things like the slaughter of the Anabaptists, and the death of 72,000 under Protestant King Henry VIII (compare that to 3000 under the Spanish Inquisition) when being Catholic was considered treason against the Crown. They have things like the torture and burning by fire of men like Servetus for not accepting dogma.

 

[Fidelibus]

Where do we start? St. Bernard of Clairveaux would be a fine example. Have you ever talked with a monk or a nun?

Yes, today after noon Mass. That is I talked to Sr. Rose about your comment, (she is 85 y.o. by the way) and she say's that using all our senses in worship IS pleasing to God, and that "you" should give it a try. Now as for talking to a Monk, I am heading up to the Abby this evening to meet with my Spiritual Director, (A Benedictine Priest) and will ask him about St. Bernard and Sensuality. If I happen upon a Monk, I will do the same and will get back with ya.

 

[Fidelibus]

Read the Scriptures my friend.....God says so!!!

I have, and do read Scripture, but that, my friend does not mean I am limited to your fallible interpretations/opinions as absolute and without error.... now do I? That is unless you do consider your interpretations/opinions free from error. Do you?

In the Bible, sensuality is always listed with other evils that include sexual promiscuity and perversion. Also known as “lewdness” or “debauchery,” sensuality can be defined as “devotion to gratifying bodily appetites; free indulgence in carnal pleasures.”

The word sensuality comes from the root word sense, which pertains to our five senses. The Greek word most often translated as “sensuality” means “outrageous conduct, shocking to public decency; wanton violence.” Sensuality is a total devotion to the gratification of the senses, to the exclusion of soul and spirit.

Did not God give us our five senses? Pretty sure God does not consider useing all our God-given senses in His worship lewd, perveted, or sexualy promiscuous. To think otherwise is just..... "outrageous" plain and simple. Sheesh!

 

[PeaceB]

All that one must believe to be a Christian is found in Scripture and in no other source. That which is not found in Scripture is not binding upon the Christian.

OK. Please tell us where the Bible states that the letter to the Hebrews is the inspired word of God.

By your faulty logic, because the Bible contains no such statement, a Christian is not bound to believe that the letter to the Hebrews is the inspired word of God.

Good luck with that.

 

[Major1]

OK. Please tell us where the Bible states that the letter to the Hebrews is the inspired word of God.

By your faulty logic, because the Bible contains no such statement, a Christian is not bound to believe that the letter to the Hebrews is the inspired word of God.

Good luck with that.

My o my!

2 Timothy 3:16............
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

Dictionary defines "ALL" as.....
"Being or representing the entire or total number, amount, or quantity: All the windows are open. Deal all the cards."

Now what part of the word "ALL" are you having trouble understanding????

The Bible does not contain the word, Catholic. By your faulty logic you can not then be one.
The Bible does not contain the word, Rosary. So by your locic you are unable to say it.

Does that make sense at all to you?

 

[Meowzltov]

My o my!

2 Timothy 3:16............
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

Where does this list which specific books?

 

[Major1]

You lack Real Presence in communion, which is Biblical, thus you are missing out on your spiritual birthright.


Because you don't have valid apostolic succession, your rites are invalid as well. What you are actually doing is simply praying for people.

All you do is confess to God. James tells us that we are to confess one to another -- auricular confession. If all we do is confess to God, then we are disobedient to scripture.

Yes you do, but you don't understand that it is salvific as Scripture teaches.

No, Protestantism began in the 16th century.

Revelation 12, the mother of the messiah standing on the moon, clothed in the sun, crowned with stars.


No, they have things like the slaughter of the Anabaptists, and the death of 72,000 under Protestant King Henry VIII (compare that to 3000 under the Spanish Inquisition) when being Catholic was considered treason against the Crown. They have things like the torture and burning by fire of men like Servetus for not accepting dogma.

You said............
"You lack Real Presence in communion, which is Biblical, thus you are missing out on your spiritual birthright."

That is completely untrue! The Protestant shares exactly as much as does the Catholic in communion.

You said............
"Because you don't have valid apostolic succession, your rites are invalid as well. What you are actually doing is simply praying for people."

Again, totally untrue. The real facts are that there are NO apostolic succession in the Bible at all. There is NO Biblical record of anyone being an apostle after John and absolutely NO suggestion that there would be. Apostolic succession is totally a Catholic invention.

And YES, Protestans actually do pray for other people just like the Scriptures tell us to do. Imagine that!!!!!

You said...............
"All you do is confess to God. James tells us that we are to confess one to another -- auricular confession. If all we do is confess to God, then we are disobedient to scripture."

God bless your sweet heart. I really do not like having to correct everything you post.
YES...YES....YES.....we confess to God.

The CONTEXT of James 5:16 is on HEALING and not confessing your sins to a Priest. Did you read the verse you quoted or only paste from a Catholic blog site??????

Read and you will see that there is NO mention of confessing to a Priest. The Scripture you posted affords no foundation for the Catholic practice of auricular confession to a priest. Besides, mutual confession being here enjoined, the priest is as much bound to confess to the people as the people to the priest.

Then you agreed with baptism. Actually sister, Biblical baptism is not hard to understand at all. It is called IMMERSION. Sprinkling is once again a totally Catholic invention.

Then you said..................
"Revelation 12, the mother of the messiah standing on the moon, clothed in the sun, crowned with stars."

NO, once again you are incorrect. The "Woman" in Rev. 12 is the Nation of Israel. I will now show you why it can not be Mary. I really do not think you will read all of this but in case there are more Catholic believers who think the Mary is found in Rev. 12 allow me to show you why it is not possible by YOUR OWN CATHOLIC DOCTRINE!!!!!!!

If you notice the text in verse 2 it says that she was “with child and she cried out being in labor and in pain.” This is a problem because according to the Roman Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, Mary did not inherit Original Sin.

CCC 491...........
“Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God, was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854: The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.”

If you’re not familiar with the concept of Original Sin, it is Romans 5:12.......
“the hereditary fallen nature and moral corruption that is passed down from Adam to his descendants. Sin entered the world through Adam."

He is the first man who committed sin, and that sin is reckoned to all people as recorded in 1 Corinthians 15:22; and Romans 5:18. This means that all descendants of Adam are under the effects of original sin. Part of the curse of the Fall that caused Original Sin is spoken of by God in Genesis 3.

Gen. 3:16..........
"To the woman He said, 'I will greatly multiply your pain in childbirth. In pain you shall bring forth children. Yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.'”

Notice that part of the curse is pain in childbirth. This is why women suffer during the birth process. So, when we look back to the text of Revelation 12:1-2, we see that the woman clothed with the sun is suffering birth pain.

Since the Roman Catholic position is that Mary could not be suffering birth pain because of her Immaculate Conception and no Original Sin, then these verses cannot be about Mary.

 

[Major1]

Where does this list which specific books?

"ALL" means "ALL". ALL Scripture is inspired.

That means every book in the Old and New Testament is from God.

I can not believe that you do not know that there is not a list of names in the Bible for the specific books in the Bible.

The Bible was written by 43 different men over 1500 years. Do you really think that Moses would know what Paul was going to write.

This question of "Where is a list in the Bible" is actually very lame.

 

[PeaceB]

My o my!

2 Timothy 3:16............
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

Dictionary defines "ALL" as.....
"Being or representing the entire or total number, amount, or quantity: All the windows are open. Deal all the cards."

OK. Where does the Bible state that the letter to the Hebrews is Scripture?

2 Timothy 3:16 states that all Scripture is inspired, but it does not state that the letter to the Hebrews is Scripture. Thus, this verse does not teach that the letter to the Hebrews is the inspired word of God.

The Bible does not contain the word, Catholic. By your faulty logic you can not then be one.
The Bible does not contain the word, Rosary. So by your locic you are unable to say it.

Does that make sense at all to you?

Friend, I am not the person who wrote "All that one must believe to be a Christian is found in Scripture and in no other source. That which is not found in Scripture is not binding upon the Christian."

 

[PeaceB]

"ALL" means "ALL". ALL Scripture is inspired.

That means every book in the Old and New Testament is from God.

You have not established that the letter to the Hebrews is Scripture, using only the Bible. That is your problem.

 

[Meowzltov]

"ALL" means "ALL". ALL Scripture is inspired.

"ALL" doesn't say which books all includes. At the time that this verse was written, "all" meant Moses and the Prophets.

 

[Meowzltov]

You said............
"You lack Real Presence in communion, which is Biblical, thus you are missing out on your spiritual birthright."

That is completely untrue! The Protestant shares exactly as much as does the Catholic in communion.

The vast majority of Protestant denominations teach that communion is only symbolic. They preach symbol only, and they get symbol only. Not real presence.

 

[Fidelibus]

My o my!

Dictionary defines "ALL" as.....
"Being or representing the entire or total number, amount, or quantity: All the windows are open. Deal all the cards."

Now what part of the word "ALL" are you having trouble understanding????

Lets see about that Maj1.... In Mt 3:5-6, it say's: "Then went out to Him Jerusalem, and "ALL" Judea, and "ALL" the region about the Jordan; and they were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins."

So Maj1 one, by your logic, "ALL" of the people of Judea, and the region about the Jordan were baptized?

In Rom 11:26 it say's: "ALL" Israel shall be saved."

So by your logic "ALL" Israel shall be saved?

Don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure that 'ALL' in Israel will not be saved.

Again in Rom 15:14 it say's..... "...you yourselves are full of love, filled with 'ALL' knowledge..."

So buy your understanding of "all" there are others filled with 'ALL' knowledge besides GOD Himself?

And finally, in John 12:19 it say's..... "The entire world has gone after him!"

By your logic, are you suggesting that everyone in the entire world has gone after Christ?


Is this your understanding?


My..Oh... My!

 

[Major1]

The vast majority of Protestant denominations teach that communion is only symbolic. They preach symbol only, and they get symbol only. Not real presence.

You are talking about what the Bible teaches and what the RCC teaches.

The Bible says, and Jesus Himself said of the Communion Supper......
"Do this in REMEMERANCE of Me".

The RCC has taken that and twisted it and changed it into a "Presence" which is called,
"Transubstantiation". The RCC has convince YOU that the wafer and wine is changed into the body and blood of Jesus Christ.

That process is completely un-Biblical and speaks more of cannibalism than it does anything else.

But is that is what you want to believe, go right ahead and do so, just do not do it with the thought that it has roots in the Bible because it certainly does not.

 

[Major1]

Lets see about that Maj1.... In Mt 3:5-6, it say's: "Then went out to Him Jerusalem, and "ALL" Judea, and "ALL" the region about the Jordan; and they were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins."

So Maj1 one, by your logic, "ALL" of the people of Judea, and the region about the Jordan were baptized?

In Rom 11:26 it say's: "ALL" Israel shall be saved."

So by your logic "ALL" Israel shall be saved?

Don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure that 'ALL' in Israel will not be saved.

Again in Rom 15:14 it say's..... "...you yourselves are full of love, filled with 'ALL' knowledge..."

So buy your understanding of "all" there are others filled with 'ALL' knowledge besides GOD Himself?

And finally, in John 12:19 it say's..... "The entire world has gone after him!"

By your logic, are you suggesting that everyone in the entire world has gone after Christ?


Is this your understanding?


My..Oh... My!

This is another example of why conversation with you is so tedious.

YOU actually KNOW the answer of the questions you are poseing but your agenda is to try and use deception to twist the comments and use straw man positions.

The verses use posted are known by everyone, except it appears you, are hyperbole in which there is an intentional exaggeration for the sake of emphasis. There are many figures of speech in the Holy Scriptures, and a proper understanding of them is necessary to a true understanding of God's word.

That would be my encouragement to you my friend. The reading and study of God's Word instead of using Catholic blogs to find exceptions instead of the truth.

 

[Major1]

"ALL" doesn't say which books all includes. At the time that this verse was written, "all" meant Moses and the Prophets.

There is NO list in the Bible of the books which were to be considered as the Bible.

The real question must be......."Why do YOU think that there should be such a list".

Do you question the ability of God and His wisdom as to which books were to included in the Bible?

Most Catholic will argue with you that the RCC chose the books of the Bible.
Are you questioning then their choices???

 

[Major1]

OK. Where does the Bible state that the letter to the Hebrews is Scripture?

2 Timothy 3:16 states that all Scripture is inspired, but it does not state that the letter to the Hebrews is Scripture. Thus, this verse does not teach that the letter to the Hebrews is the inspired word of God.


Friend, I am not the person who wrote "All that one must believe to be a Christian is found in Scripture and in no other source. That which is not found in Scripture is not binding upon the Christian."

I am not highly educated being just an old county boy so I am going to need an explanation for your comment of..............
"2 Timothy 3:16 states that all Scripture is inspired, but it does not state that the letter to the Hebrews is Scripture. Thus, this verse does not teach that the letter to the Hebrews is the inspired word of God."

ALL Scripture is inspired, and Hebrews in found in the New Test. canon but then some how you have determined that it is NOT inspired because it is in the Scriptures.

That is like saying that my cat is black because she is my cat.......
unless she is not my cat and is your cat then that cat is red.

 

[BBAS 64]

OK. Please tell us where the Bible states that the letter to the Hebrews is the inspired word of God.

By your faulty logic, because the Bible contains no such statement, a Christian is not bound to believe that the letter to the Hebrews is the inspired word of God.

Good luck with that.

Good day, Peace

I think you are confusing the issue of Cannon with the issue of authority. The question books of the Canon is purely historical in nature.

Nor would I say that historically those that had issues with the book of Hebrews are not true believers:

Eusebius, he describes it as notha, "spurious",

"Among the rejected [νόθοις, nothois, "spurious" "counterfeit"] writings must be reckoned also the Acts of Paul, and the so-called Shepherd, and the Apocalypse of Peter, and in addition to these the extant epistle of Barnabas, and the so-called Teachings of the Apostles; and besides, as I said, the Apocalypse of John, if it seem proper, which some, as I said, reject, but which others class with the accepted books. And among these some have placed also the Gospel according to the Hebrews, with which those of the Hebrews that have accepted Christ are especially delighted. And all these may be reckoned among the disputed books. [ἀντιλεγομένων antilegomenon]" - Church History, Book III, Ch. 25:4-5

Would you say they are "NOT" Christians?

That was easy, I bet you can do better than that.

In Him,

Bill

 

[Meowzltov]

There is NO list in the Bible of the books which were to be considered as the Bible.

The real question must be......."Why do YOU think that there should be such a list".

There has to be a canon, or every person would have a different canon. Some would say only the four gospels are the NT. Some would accept the epistles of Paul but not the rest. Some would add extra books such as 1 Clement, the Didache, or the Book of Mormon.

The real question is, what is the authority that determines the canon?