Why should we say what "isn't?" You contradicted yourself there...God never said it was wrong for two gay people to be together, so you ARE saying what marriage isn't. The reason is PAINFULLY obvious...the writers/Apostles, had absolutely no clear knowledge of an orientation...the Scriptures make it clear. If it was so bad to for homosexual couples to be together, it should've been mentioned, but it wasn't because this wasn't really a relationship at the time.
You have to take historical context into account, and we know slavery was promoted all throughout the Bible. "Well, that is historical context". YES...so is this!
No contradiction, a man and woman are to marry to avoid sin. There is no where that it says a man and a man or woman and a woman must marry to avoid sin.
History says that the number of homosexuals has always been about the same, and to believe as I have stated before, that suddenly in the 19th Century someone woke up and realized that they could have a loving, monogamous relationshp is just not logical.
To believe that if the Bible doesn't say it is not ok, it is, is a far reach for anyone. Even tho, as I have said before, I don't believe the Bible is silent on this issue. I won't go through all the scriptures again, because you have already seen them and drawn a conclusion, that as you know I don't agree with. The Bible is the living Word, and it covers everything from the past, present and futher. It can do this because Christ is ALIVE
, and because the scriptures tell us in the OT and NT that neither God or His Son change. They are the same then, now and forever.
You can pull up red herrings with the shellfish scriptures, which scriptures in the NT, show why that isn't so anymore. You can pull up the mixed fabric, but I have already posted how that was because the priest were the ones to wear the mixed fabrics.
You can say I cherry pick the scriptures to get to where I am today, but when taking the scriptures as a whole, well you know I don't agree. All the scriptures in the 18 chapter of Leviticus speak of sexual sins, and I see no scriptures anywhere else in the Bible that show that these things have been changed as the shellfish example given from Lev. 11.
You speak of purity codes, and in my research we see they were also called holiness codes. In both the OT and the NT we are told to be Holy because God/Christ is Holy, so to say that was just for the Jews/culture and time.........can't be since we are still to be holy because God/Christ are.
You can tell me how God is a God of Love so as long as you are in a loving relationship it is great with God. The carnal man and his flesh love alot of things that are not ok with God. There are alot of things that make us feel good and give us pleasures, like foods, drugs, etc. These are things of the flesh and until we get our new bodies we will be tempted by this weak corrupt flesh.
Don't get me wrong God is a God of Love, thank goodness, because if he wasn't we all would probably be involved in something like the great flood. Yet, the OT and the NT tell us how He is also a jealous God, a God of wrath, a God of judgements, and most importantly a God who cannot be in the presence of sin/unrighteousness.
The scriptures don't speak of any orientation in my opinion, because there is no orientation to talk about. We are created male and female by God's design, and in His plan we are told how males and females are to act.
You have stated that you believe that homosexuality came about because of the fall, and that you believe that God's original plan was for things to be heterosexual until then. Well frankly any action that comes about because of sin is sin, don't you think?
God's origianl plan was for the Jews to be His chosen people, but because they rejected Him/sinned they have been made blind of the truth until the end. They will be given back their sight, and those that believe and except Him will again be His chosen people. Looking at this I guess we could believe that since it wasn't meant for there to be anything but heterosexuals, that at the end they will no longer be blind and be heterosexual again?
2 Cor 11:13-15
13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14And no marvel; for
Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if
his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
The scriptures tell us that satan can transform himself into an angel of light and that his ministers also can be trasformed. They also tell us how he perverts the scriptures working lies and wonders as he plays his role as the father of lies. He is the prince and god of this world, and opposes the work of God.
We are told that God is not the God of confusion, but yet the church/body of God is being confused and divided by this issue and other issues. That wouldn't be from God, but that deceitful transformed angel of light doing what he does best.
I remember when Jesus was accused of being of the devil, and how he said that if the devil cast out devils it would be a house divided and it will fall. Well I see devils transforming themselves into angels of righteousness to cast out righteousness.
I have been over this, as you have, many times.
I may not be back today to respond to any responses to my post, because I feel like I have neglected the other sections of this forum.(like the prayer section).
We should be lifting our brothers and sister, and most of all the lost, up to the throne of our Lord and Saviour. I feel I have gotten to..............well I feel I have not been keeping up with the things that the Lord wants me to do on this forum. I have let 1 thing take up to much of my time. I feel all we can do is plant the seeds which has been done, and I should not forsake other things that should be addressed.
If I would be honest, I would probably have to say that my fleshly desire to win on this issue(meaning save those from a sin that I believe is going to send
some to hell) has kept me from the other things the Lord would have me doing. Those fleshly desires
don't take away from what I feel is the truth of the scriptures on this issue, but gives the appearance of it being more important than other things of the Lord. So I prayerfully leave this section for awhile, and move on to other things of importance. I will check back, and if the Lord leads return for more discussions.
God Bless You All!!!!
