socially acceptable homicide

[All Becomes New]

I was only referring to consensual sex here, not assault.

Not to mention that abortions due to rape is like less than 1%. The Democrats love to make the exception the rule. It's illogical.

 

[RileyG]

Not to mention that abortions due to rape is like less than 1%. The Democrats love to make the exception the rule. It's illogical.

Exactly right! Or when they compare abortions to miscarriages.

Disgusting

 

[dogs4thewin]

Exactly right! Or when they compare abortions to miscarriages.

Disgusting

Well in a sense they are actually right a miscarriage is what is known as a spontaneous abortion. That is to say that your body aborts the baby. Abortion by actual definition is any time a pregnancy is terminated by anything other than a live birth.

 

[dzheremi]

This is a ridiculous answer. Everyone knows if you have sex there could be a pregnancy. Everyone knows this.

RileyG is smart enough to see what I was getting at here, but let me make it more explicit for you: I was referring to rape. At least some pregnancy occurs as the result of rape.

 

[All Becomes New]

Well in a sense they are actually right a miscarriage is what is known as a spontaneous abortion. That is to say that your body aborts the baby. Abortion by actual definition is any time a pregnancy is terminated by anything other than a live birth.

There is a BIG difference between an abortion and a miscarriage. That is why we use different words for each. An abortion is a calculated procedure with the goal of killing a baby. A miscarriage is a natural process.

 

[All Becomes New]

I saw this on Facebook, and it really moved me.

 

[RileyG]

Well in a sense they are actually right a miscarriage is what is known as a spontaneous abortion. That is to say that your body aborts the baby. Abortion by actual definition is any time a pregnancy is terminated by anything other than a live birth.

It’s not intentional. That’s a HUGE difference. Not the same by any means.

 

[dogs4thewin]

There is a BIG difference between an abortion and a miscarriage. That is why we use different words for each. An abortion is a calculated procedure with the goal of killing a baby. A miscarriage is a natural process.

that is why they say a miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion as opposed to one that is medically indudced, but a miscarriage is your body aborting a baby even if you did nothing to make it happen or even wanted it to happen.

 

[RileyG]

I saw this on Facebook, and it really moved me.

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How very heartbreaking.

 

[RileyG]

that is why they say a miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion as opposed to one that is medically indudced, but a miscarriage is your body aborting a baby even if you did nothing to make it happen or even wanted it to happen.

Again, not comparable.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Again, not comparable.

I understand that, but if people are going just by definition that being a pregnancy ended by something other than a live birth a miscarriage would qualify.

 

[RileyG]

I understand that, but if people are going just by definition that being a pregnancy ended by something other than a live birth a miscarriage would qualify.

Ok. I understand. Thank you.

 

[childeye 2]

Making things illegal and then enforcing punishment on those illegal things does deter crime. That is a fact.

That's the typical authoritarian ideology of legalism. To me, those who adhere to the ideology of legalism have not thought things through, as they seem unaware that they are confessing the only thing keeping them from raping and pillaging in the neighborhood is the fear of being caught and punished.

And that's why I asked about virtue, and where does it come from? For example, Paul stated that if righteousness came by the works of the law, then Christ died in vain. He's talking about a righteousness that is bestowed by grace through faith, and not by the works of the law.

That is why in California there is so much theft because then have gone so soft on Crime that if you steal less than $900 worth of merchandise, they will not prosecute you. In El Salvador, they have seen a huge reduction in homicide simply by being tough on crime. Why would abortion be different than other crimes here?

Clearly violent and hardened criminal gang members are lacking virtue. I'm not disputing that the crackdown on gangs in El Salvador is the reason crime has gone down. I've even seen people come to Christ in prison, but it doesn't prove that virtue is instilled through punishment, it's just a course that led to them finding Christ. The California thing sounds like propaganda to me.

Abortion wouldn't be different than other crimes, once the government makes it a crime. But I don't see putting women in prison for getting an abortion the same as criminal gangs being taken off the streets and put in prison.

 

[childeye 2]

How’s it unwanted? Because she or her refused to use protection?

No, because the woman doesn't want to be pregnant. Obviously, the use of protection would imply not wanting to get pregnant.

If you’re fertile, sexual activity can lead to pregnancy. It is what it is.

Biology 101

Of course. But the issue here is abortion.

 

[dzheremi]

The California thing sounds like propaganda to me.

Because it is. Here's a bit of info on prop 47, which reclassified shoplifting from being prosecutable as burglary to being prosecutable as shoplifting (a new classification created by the proposition), with the latter being prosecuted as a misdemeanor. It did not, as Fox News and others who can't stop lying about this state for their own reasons would have it, make it so that if you steal under $950, "they" won't prosecute you.

Assemblyman Kevin Kiley, who (re)introduced this lie on Fox News in 2022, apparently thinks that being prosecuted for a crime that could land you as much as six months in county jail is "not even a slap on the wrist." I would suggest that if he really believes that, he ought to prove it by reporting to the county jail nearest to where he serves and staying there for a six month stint.

 

[childeye 2]

Because it is. Here's a bit of info on prop 47, which reclassified shoplifting from being prosecutable as burglary to being prosecutable as shoplifting (a new classification created by the proposition), with the latter being prosecuted as a misdemeanor. It did not, as Fox News and others who can't stop lying about this state for their own reasons would have it, make it so that if you steal under $950, "they" won't prosecute you.

Assemblyman Kevin Kiley, who (re)introduced this lie on Fox News in 2022, apparently thinks that being prosecuted for a crime that could land you as much as six months in county jail is "not even a slap on the wrist." I would suggest that if he really believes that, he ought to prove it by reporting to the county jail nearest to where he serves and staying there for a six month stint.

Thanks. This is why you can't just believe whatever you hear.

 

[RileyG]

No, because the woman doesn't want to be pregnant. Obviously, the use of protection would imply not wanting to get pregnant.

Of course. But the issue here is abortion.

Abortion is completely unnecessary because most pregnancies are preventable.

 

[All Becomes New]

That's the typical authoritarian ideology of legalism. To me, those who adhere to the ideology of legalism have not thought things through, as they seem unaware that they are confessing the only thing keeping them from raping and pillaging in the neighborhood is the fear of being caught and punished.

And that's why I asked about virtue, and where does it come from? For example, Paul stated that if righteousness came by the works of the law, then Christ died in vain. He's talking about a righteousness that is bestowed by grace through faith, and not by the works of the law.


Clearly violent and hardened criminal gang members are lacking virtue. I'm not disputing that the crackdown on gangs in El Salvador is the reason crime has gone down. I've even seen people come to Christ in prison, but it doesn't prove that virtue is instilled through punishment, it's just a course that led to them finding Christ. The California thing sounds like propaganda to me.

Abortion wouldn't be different than other crimes, once the government makes it a crime. But I don't see putting women in prison for getting an abortion the same as criminal gangs being taken off the streets and put in prison.

What is the purpose of Government according to the Bible?

The Purpose and Role of Government | ESV.org

www.esv.org

 

[childeye 2]

Abortion is completely unnecessary because most pregnancies are preventable.

Well yeah, most pregnancies are preventable, but we're talking about unwanted pregnancies that have already happened, not ones that have been prevented.

 

[childeye 2]

What is the purpose of Government according to the Bible?

I've always found it ironic that both religious and secular government crucified the Christ.