Socialism vs. Capitalism

[nonheathen40]

I think either system could conform with and utilize the mark of the beast very easily.
But modern socialism seems to be more suited for the One World religious system,and capitalism for the economic. So they will both have to be merged somehow into one,and I can see how Satan could use both ideals to his advantage. I think maybe the world Media will play a big part in this unification,as it already seems to dictate how today's youth view the world through social networking/internet. Just a thought...

 

[Notamonkey]

Socialism isn't about "social justice". It's about "just us", as in the ruling class. The ruling class are the greedy- the very ones who cry greed of the corperations. And in a socialist society, are the only ones acting like capitolists. The socialist only loves money when they control it, but if it I your money it is "obscene".

The socialist uses class warfare to devide the people, to take power-the end justifes the means. To them there is only two types of people, the oppressed and the oppressor.

The socialist uses envy(sin) to manipulate the masses. "That guy makes too much money, he's greedy."
The socialist either removes religion all together, or preaches a false gospel to itchy ears.
The socialist wants people to feel entitled to what is not theirs.
He wants people to rely on him because that is how he buys votes to stay in power.

It's simple, if you want the state to take care of you, you will lose liberty. If you want liberty, you'll have to take responability for youself.
Redistribution of wealth is thieft. THAT IS A SIN LAST TIME I CHECKED.

 

[JoeRich75]

Sorry you are a hypocrite if you really think the Bible support socialism.

 

[godisreal36]

Which system serves man and Jesus? Which system promotes the Gospel, and which system denies Jesus?

I think Capitalism is better, it provides jobs for poor, not just wealth for the greedy.

Greed is always there, socialism will not fix poverty, but it will deny Jesus i think. Capitalism uses greed to the advantage of the poor, it provides jobs and freedom to choose. Socialism seeks to destroy the gospel in my opinion, for whatever it's worth. May God bless us all, life is hard.

 

[gluadys]

Which system serves man and Jesus? Which system promotes the Gospel, and which system denies Jesus?

I think Capitalism is better, it provides jobs for poor, not just wealth for the greedy.

Greed is always there, socialism will not fix poverty, but it will deny Jesus i think. Capitalism uses greed to the advantage of the poor, it provides jobs and freedom to choose. Socialism seeks to destroy the gospel in my opinion, for whatever it's worth. May God bless us all, life is hard.

Well, it is your opinion FWIW, but perhaps you should check out whether it is supported by facts. From where I sit in a low-income urban neighbourhood, capitalism is not providing jobs. It is not providing the poor with any advantages.

Recently many of us participated in an exercise called Do the Math. Middle-income people in our diocese volunteered to live for 3-7 days on what one typically receives at a food bank.

What they experienced was lack of choice. Bland, tasteless pre-packaged pasta and rice, some canned soups, no fresh food. There is no point having fruits and vegetables all the way from Chile or Japan on the supermarket shelf if you can't afford any of them.

And about the only free choices capitalism does offer is consumer choices: if you can afford them.

I don't see socialism destroying the gospel. In fact, there is a long history of Christians who support socialism because they find that to live as Jesus taught means living as a socialist.

 

[SirKenny85]

I have always been in favor of Capitalism..The only major drawback to capitalism (obviously) is ability for some major corporations to get caught up in greed.

 

[Notamonkey]

" You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by deviding it." Adrian Rogers

"The implicit purpose of socialism is to insulate the wise elite from the consquences of their policies, so they can think more clearly when designing the future of everyone else." John Howard.

Socialism is theft for the pupose of absolute power by controlling wealth and moving it around while taking and wasting much of it for those in power. Government doesn't create wealth, it consums it.

With socialism government becomes God-picking winners and losers as it sees fit. It's class warfare, pitting one against the other, classic devide and conquer." A house devided cannot stand". Those who call the rich greedy are the ones who ARE greedy. Coveting what others have will not improve your position. Socialism is evil and of the Devil.

 

[Notamonkey]

I have always been in favor of Capitalism..The only major drawback to capitalism (obviously) is ability for some major corporations to get caught up in greed.

Yes, the problem with capitolism is capitolists. The problem with socialism is socialism

 

[TheReasoner]

Yes, the problem with capitolism is capitolists. The problem with socialism is socialism

Hm. You consistently mis-spell capitalist and capitalism. Do you really know what you follow? I seek not to mock you, but simply inquire. Many follow what they are told to follow. Rationalizing it along the way. But I wonder, what is your education and knowledge on topics related to that which you follow? I gather you are a creationist so I suppose you oppose evolution in part because of the perceived ethical consequences of darwinism - that is to say social darwinism. I feel there is a discrepancy here as capitalism IS social darwinism Notamonkey. It is all about survival of the fittest and pruning away that which is weak through competition. The way I see it Christ promoted cooperation and mercy, which is quite the opposite of the dog-eat-dog capitalistic ideal.

I do not see why socialism - which promotes aid to the poor and cooperation - is wrong or problematic in the least. Can it be used in bad settings? Yes. Everything can. But is it's core wrong? I fail to see it if it is.

 

[godisreal36]

Ah yes you mispelled something, you must be stupid, uneducated. Snobery brother. Socialism or capitalism..... how about Jesus? Abriham lincoln the first republican, who freed american slaves, was not "properly" educated either brother. He failed at everything, business and even politics over and over again...untill he succeeded to become president that is. Snobery...the hall mark of socialism

 

[TheReasoner]

Ah yes you mispelled something, you must be stupid, uneducated. Snobery brother. Socialism or capitalism..... how about Jesus? Abriham lincoln the first republican, who freed american slaves, was not "properly" educated either brother. He failed at everything, business and even politics over and over again...untill he succeeded to become president that is. Snobery...the hall mark of socialism

Pardon? I really did not intend snobbery. Or an attack on educational level. I merely sought to ask if he had it as it seemed from his opinions that he does not. Surely you agree that a Christian should not promote ideas if he does not have sound evidence that said claims are in fact true? Is it not important that we show integrity and care to always be as truthful as possible in all situations? And as this surely is the case a Christian man should not at any point claim anything to be absolutely true unless he can point his finger at both the bible and creation and say "Look! This is how it is!"
I apologize if I came across poorly, I am not very good with people though I love them. I am better with data.

I do resent you saying that snobbery is the hallmark of socialism though brother. Why do you launch this irrational attack?

 

[godisreal36]

Darwinism, just as big a lie as Socialism. Darwin said we would indeed find many fossils in the fossil record to "prove" his "theory" of evolution, and he himself said if we found none that his "theory" was wrong. We have found none, zero, zip, nada, no fossils in the fossil record that supports darwins "theory". If darwin was alive, he himself would say that he was wrong by his own writings. Here's something for anyome believing in darwinism... Darwin said and beleived that women were lower on the scale of evolution than men! Do you also beleive that brother?

It is you i think, that follows what your told to believe not this other man...brother. You are vain and lack humility which is the hall mark of a "mature christian" Are you a christian brother? Forget your foolish darwinism, capitalism and socialism and any other lism brother, follow the bible insted, please. Did i forget how to spell something bro? Please let me know, how much more educated you are than I and show you're lack of love brother.

 

[TheReasoner]

Darwinism, just as big a lie as Socialism. Darwin said we would indeed find many fossils in the fossil record to "prove" his "theory" of evolution, and he himself said if we found none that his "theory" was wrong. We have found none, zero, zip, nada, no fossils in the fossil record that supports darwins "theory". If darwin was alive, he himself would say that he was wrong by his own writings. Here's something for anyome believing in darwinism... Darwin said and beleived that women were lower on the scale of evolution than men! Do you also beleive that brother?

It is you i think, that follows what your told to believe not this other man...brother. You are vain and lack humility which is the hall mark of a "mature christian" Are you a christian brother? Forget your foolish darwinism, capitalism and socialism and any other lism brother, follow the bible insted, please. Did i forget how to spell something bro? Please let me know, how much more educated you are than I and show you're lack of love brother.

Brother, if you disbelieve in Darwinism, why do you follow social darwinism (Capitalism)? Survival of the fittest in society is not a Christian trait.

I do not see how I have shown a lack of love godisreal? Have I been angry? Have I told you anything whihc is not testable or holds no merit?
I am sorry if you feel that my education automatically makes me a snob or a hateful person. All I seek to do is spread God's love with the gifts He has given me.
I also fail to see where I am lacking in humility godisreal? I have not been hateful in my remarks. What have I done to earn your scorn? If I have sinned show me where I have sinned. Surely my sin is not my education? Is my sin that I want to help the poor? Or that I point out that all our possessions are merely on loan from our Father in Heaven? Was my sin in asking if a brother has basis for his claims?

What is my sin, godisreal?

 

[godisreal36]

i say it is greedy capitalists and greedy socialists together who seek to serve not god but mammon. Some rich capitalists help more that all the people in this forum combined! Yes some are greedy just like socialists who sit at home collecting others money that they didn't earn and point fingers at others to releive their own concience. Maybe i do you injustice brother, if i do, i oppoligize, if we are brothers, lets not stumble over politics, lets be united under Christ. In order to do that, we must abandon the political path, not argue it, not say this way is better than that way, we should follow jesus, and jesus was neither capitalist or socialist. It get's me though, how some never knowing true capitalism, like to slam it, as if they knew what they were talking about. Jesus is the only way, and politics seeks to destroy that...my point exactly.

 

[godisreal36]

You speak more like a pharisee than a follower of Jesus brother, i too have made this mistake and still do, and im wrong when i do. Social darwinism is not anything like, in no way shape or form, darwinism that is the theory of evolution. Are you mistaken like we all are at times, or do you just lie? Either way, i would have great respect for you brother if you admited you were wrong or just said, it doesnt matter anyways because we are to love one another as our self. If i say darwin was wrong that means capitalism is wrong? That's the biggets misrepresentation yet brother! One is a false theory of mans origen, the other is just a false word created by socialists to kill capitalism. Jesus brother, we both need him more than politics, wouldnt you agree?

 

[TheReasoner]

i say it is greedy capitalists and greedy socialists together who seek to serve not god but mammon. Some rich capitalists help more that all the people in this forum combined! Yes some are greedy just like socialists who sit at home collecting others money that they didn't earn and point fingers at others to releive their own concience. Maybe i do you injustice brother, if i do, i oppoligize, if we are brothers, lets not stumble over politics, lets be united under Christ. In order to do that, we must abandon the political path, not argue it, not say this way is better than that way, we should follow jesus, and jesus was neither capitalist or socialist. It get's me though, how some never knowing true capitalism, like to slam it, as if they knew what they were talking about. Jesus is the only way, and politics seeks to destroy that...my point exactly.

I understand. Possibly better than you think. I do think I should tell you that in my country we worked up wealth through socialism and Christianity combined. We were not lazy but worked very hard. And we worked hard for everyone among us. For the poor as much as - or in many cases more than - for ourselves. The self-sacrifice has in many cases been exceptional.
Please do remember that, because socialists are not all lazy. In fact, I know many socialists and communists who are some of the hardest working most loving and wonderful people I have met. In fact I am yet to meet one who is lazy. But that could be because I don't hang around many lazy people.

I tell you this not to scorn you my friend, but because some day maybe you run across someone who does not know Jesus but has met some people like the ones I know. And your scorn and dismissal of socialists as lazy and immoral could lead to this person rejecting Christ. I have seen such things happen, and it grieves me. For no ill was attempted. But evil still happened. You are right, Only Jesus matters. There are wonderful people who are capitalists and there are wonderful people who are socialists. Many socialists who are such because they seek to help and think this is the best way. Many of these are real Jesus-followers too. Maybe they are wrong, to be honest I don't think they are. But I may be wrong in that assertion.

God bless you godisreal. May He ever help you seek Him more and more!

 

[godisreal36]

Love, i admit i need to learn it or god has to give me more. But what you do is not love, neither is what i do. Love is not found in books, politics socialim human relationships...only God knows love. Love is more than not "showing" ones anger, love is admitting when your wrong, love is putting others obove ones self, we both need it bro. Neither of us walks in love, that's what i say. But maybe one shows it more than the other? It's possible, but either way, we are both guilty of not loving correctly.

 

[TheReasoner]

Love, i admit i need to learn it or god has to give me more. But what you do is not love, neither is what i do. Love is not found in books, politics socialim human relationships...only God knows love. Love is more than not "showing" ones anger, love is admitting when your wrong, love is putting others obove ones self, we both need it bro. Neither of us walks in love, that's what i say. But maybe one shows it more than the other? It's possible, but either way, we are both guilty of not loving correctly.

All humans are. And the path we walk with Christ needs us to realize that fact. If we don't, how can we ever get better?

 

[godisreal36]

I never said all socialist were lazy only some, some capitalists are lazy also. And i never implied purposely either. I grow tired of your inability to walk in love, you keep the politics brother, i got to go learn things. Lovely things. Bye brother get ahold of me if you want, i don't hold grudges, aspecially against my Christian brothers and sisters. Politics, a stumleing Block for sure. Call me on that thing i just said if you doubt it, it's no lie.

 

[TheReasoner]

I never said all socialist were lazy only some, some capitalists are lazy also. And i never implied purposely either. I grow tired of your inability to walk in love, you keep the politics brother, i got to go learn things. Lovely things. Bye brother get ahold of me if you want, i don't hold grudges, aspecially against my Christian brothers and sisters. Politics, a stumleing Block for sure. Call me on that thing i just said if you doubt it, it's no lie.

I really don't see how I have been showing an inability to walk in love godisreal?