So you want to be a practicing homosexual Bishop...but its not enough?

[PeterPaul]

First, Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, which declare that for a man to "lie with a male as though lying with a woman" is "an abomination" or "detestable act" — in Hebrew, "toevah" — something utterly repugnant to God.

 

[PeterPaul]

Second, Romans 1:26-27 "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion"

 

[ukok]

In the UK now, in general state schools- marriage is no longer emphatically encouraged over poligamy and homosexuality is considered to be as legitimate a lifestyle as hetrosexual.

People are just too liberal. I think teh UK will have gay marriage pretty soon.

You mean polygamy? Having more than one spouse? I don't think that's quite right Mark...i don't know of any state school that supports a person having more than one spouse.

 

[Christy4Christ]

And what exactly is this stuff about "Thats OT show me something NT" and then you do and they still make excuses! I bet these are the same people that are accusing us of idolatry based on OT!!!!

 

[PeterPaul]

I think he means mainstream society.

 

[raptor13]

whats the latest on the anglican dioceses returning to the Church? I havn't seen it in the news for a while.

 

[RhetorTheo]

I think they will say it was an abomination, and unnatural, because it was out of wedlock. God intended for sex to be in marriage. Now that gays can marry, they'll say, God gives it the thumbs up.

The Bible is very anti-gay, through and through, OT and NT. The individual arguments they make to reinterpret Sodom and Gomorrah and the rest fail Occam's Razor. But the "nonmarital argument" is the best so far, and may be enough to convince those who wish to be convinced.

I Cor 6:9

Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals .

I bet there will be new Bible translations that interpret the Bible verses about homosexuality to mean unmarried homosexuality. Here's what the new translations will be saying:

I Cor 6:9

Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor those who engage in premarital homosexual sex.

 

[Michelina]

First, Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, which declare that for a man to "lie with a male as though lying with a woman" is "an abomination" or "detestable act" — in Hebrew, "toevah" — something utterly repugnant to God.

PP, they will counter with the fact that other prohibitions of the OT are also called "abominations" and then say that the Mosaic Law is abrogated in the New Covenant.

It must be pointed out to them that the NC eliminates the Mosaic Law but does not eliminate the Natural Law. That homosexuality is against the Natural Law is knowable by pure reason and demonstrable by the destruction of Sodom, well before Moses.

There's no end to their objections until you get to Romans 1:27, wherein the evil of this sin is clearly and indisputably stated and the context, which they try to distort, is irrelevant.

"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

 

[PeterPaul]

You are right Rheter. And guess what they will call it? Sensitivity. We need to make the Bible more sensitive to others. Already been done in the past.

 

[RhetorTheo]

Christy, I mentioned this to a Catholic about six months ago. He said that the prohibitions are in the OT. I pointed out ones in the NT, and he said he doesn't care, he only cares what Jesus said and Jesus never said anything against it.

 

[PeterPaul]

Rhetor, to be terse, as Michelina once called me LOL, that person was on crack.

 

[aanjt]

Can an Episcopalian priest who openly lives with his girlfriend be bishop? What about his sister or cousin, or multiple women? Can a priest openly live with two male partners and be bishop?

In the diocese of Texas, no. In fact, Bishop Wimberly (of the diocese of Texas) sent a letter stating that he will not allow any ordination of anyone who is in a sexual relationship outside the sacrament of Holy Matrimony between a man and a woman.

FTR, as you can see (I hope), the diocese of Texas is completely opposed to what happened in New Hampshire.

I do not believe that my diocese have "fallen under the spell of Satan". To say that, IMO, is implying that we are no longer Christian. I hope that is not what you were saying.

Yours in Christ,
Jen

 

[RhetorTheo]

In the diocese of Texas, no. In fact, Bishop Wimberly (of the diocese of Texas) sent a letter stating that he will not allow any ordination of anyone who is in a sexual relationship outside the sacrament of Holy Matrimony between a man and a woman.

FTR, as you can see (I hope), the diocese of Texas is completely opposed to what happened in New Hampshire.

I do not believe that my diocese have "fallen under the spell of Satan". To say that, IMO, is implying that we are no longer Christian. I hope that is not what you were saying.

Yours in Christ,
Jen

Are you going to remain in communion with them? Are you considering creating a different group within the Anglican Church, or affiliating with the Catholics, Orthodox, etc.?

 

[RhetorTheo]

that person was on crack.

No pun intended, I'm certain.

 

[Christy4Christ]

Ack double posts again! I hate my computer! Is that unchristian of me???

 

[Christy4Christ]

Christy, I mentioned this to a Catholic about six months ago. He said that the prohibitions are in the OT. I pointed out ones in the NT, and he said he doesn't care, he only cares what Jesus said and Jesus never said anything against it.

LOL forget His Apostles, who are they anyway?!

 

[PeterPaul]

LOL right! LOL, like my mother who takes a few verses from Christ and applies it to the New Age! Forget that "born again" doesn't mean reincarnation! Forget that Jesus said "no one comes to the Father, but through Me"...nah all religions are good.

 

[aanjt]

Are you going to remain in communion with them? Are you considering creating a different group within the Anglican Church, or affiliating with the Catholics, Orthodox, etc.?

The diocese of Texas and Florida (and there are others) that are in talks of what to do. Most of the other primates have given our Presiding Bishop (Griswold - PB of the ECUSA) a deadline. Either repent of what happened in NH by Easter or.... and we do not know what that "or" is. Most are assuming excommunication from the other Primates. I have heard that the Primates are also talking to the ABC (Archbishop of Cantebury) about him choosing between them (which is, I believe 27 out of the 38 Primates) and the ECUSA. There are lawyers involved (church property, who does the bricks belong to) and other things. We are also waiting for the ABC (I think it's November) to send his letter/statement. So, right now it is a wait and see. My family have not left the EC for several reasons:

1) we do not want to be reactionary
2) our diocese will not ordain anyone who is in a sexual relationship outside the sacrament of Holy Matrimony between a man and a woman
3) we do not think that "running away" is the answer

Yours in Christ,
Jen

 

[RhetorTheo]

There's no end to their objections until you get to Romans 1:27, wherein the evil of this sin is clearly and indisputably stated and the context, which they try to distort, is irrelevant.

"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

Here is the text in The Message:

Romans 1:27
Sexually confused, they abused and defiled one another, women with women, men with men--all lust, no love. And then they paid for it, oh, how they paid for it--emptied of God and love, godless and loveless wretches.

It'll be reinterpreted to mean that the sinfulness, indecency, and perversion was that they acted out of "all lust, no love" - and not the homosexuality in and of itself. But that verse is very difficult to get around.

 

[Rosa Mystica]

I see I'm late joining the discussion. I just read the article. My reaction to it can be summed up as follows: !