so you know more than the pope?

[RibI]

so you know more than the pope?

When it comes to God and His ways? of course.

 

[Meepy]

The Pope is only a Man. I love Catholics don't get me wrong. But to assume the Catholic Church is the only true and correct Church is false. We all Belong to the Lord. I find it curious that Someone could post on another persons wall, yet leave no way of letting them respond in PM or VM.

If the Catholic Church alone is the true Church, how do you explain the Holy crusades, murder in the name of the church? A false belief. How do you explain a lot of false beliefs by the Catholic church if they are the only true Church Of our Lord and master Jesus Christ? Priests molesting children is so awful the world judges us all because of it. Catholics belong to Jesus but so do all the rest. Please don't think for one minutes that the Catholics are above any other. Their past sins against the world contradicts the idea of Catholics as the true Church. I see the catholic Church coming to rude awakening one day as we all will. Its the Lords will that we be united and love on another. Forget your false beliefs and be united in Christ alone.

The Crusades were a defensive measure against the Muslim takeover. And essentially the Crusades were sparked by the Seljuk Turks when the desecrated christian lands. Without the crusades Europe would have been taken over by the Muslims.

Priest molesting children is awful. But is happens in all other religious groups. Its just the media doesn't air those and only airs the Catholic Church's because they are the biggest target.

Lastly the Church is not subject to temporal civil law. It is its own entity with its own system. As far as "forget your false beliefs" that is just your view on what you think is false and the same could be said regarding protestant 'false beliefs'.

When it comes to God and His ways? of course.

I cannot believe the amount of arrogance that permeates from blind assumption. It really is a bad habit humanity gets into because of pride.

 

[ivebeenshown]

1st) What books on eschatology has he written? I've been trying to find out what your church teaches for the longest on end time events and can't find anything other then "Jesus comes back and that's it". I'd be interested in looking it over.

When I first believed in Jesus, I was eschat-obsessed, what's the deal? People concern themselves so much with that stuff instead of just having faith in Jesus and living in the present, ready to accept the future as it comes regardless of how or when it comes.

 

[Hentenza]

Theres a lot of people here who think they know everything about the Bible. so i looked up the pope and found this and i want to know who knows as much as he does,


From 1946 to 1951 he studied philosophy and theology in the Higher School of Philosophy and Theology of Freising and at the University of Munich.

He received his priestly ordination on 29 June 1951.

A year later he began teaching at the Higher School of Freising.

In 1953 he obtained his doctorate in theology with a thesis entitled "People and House of God in St Augustine’s Doctrine of the Church".

Four years later, under the direction of the renowned professor of fundamental theology Gottlieb Söhngen, he qualified for University teaching with a dissertation on: "The Theology of History in St Bonaventure".

After lecturing on dogmatic and fundamental theology at the Higher School of Philosophy and Theology in Freising, he went on to teach at Bonn, from 1959 to1963; at Münster from 1963 to 1966 and at Tübingen from 1966 to 1969. During this last year he held the Chair of dogmatics and history of dogma at the University of Regensburg, where he was also Vice-President of the University.

From 1962 to 1965 he made a notable contribution to Vatican II as an "expert"; being present at the Council as theological advisor of Cardinal Joseph Frings, Archbishop of Cologne.

His intense scientific activity led him to important positions at the service of the German Bishops’ Conference and the International Theological Commission.

In 1972 together with Hans Urs von Balthasar, Henri de Lubac and other important theologians, he initiated the theological journal "Communio".

On 25 March 1977 Pope Paul VI named him Archbishop of Munich and Freising. On 28 May of the same year he received episcopal ordination. He was the first Diocesan priest for 80 years to take on the pastoral governance of the great Bavarian Archdiocese. He chose as his episcopal motto: "Cooperators of the truth". He himself explained why: "On the one hand I saw it as the relation between my previous task as professor and my new mission. In spite of different approaches, what was involved, and continued to be so, was following the truth and being at its service. On the other hand I chose that motto because in today’s world the theme of truth is omitted almost entirely, as something too great for man, and yet everything collapses if truth is missing".

Paul VI made him a Cardinal with the priestly title of "Santa Maria Consolatrice al Tiburtino", during the Consistory of 27 June of the same year.

In 1978 he took part in the Conclave of 25 and 26 August which elected John Paul I, who named him his Special Envoy to the III International Mariological Congress, celebrated in Guayaquil (Ecuador) from 16 to 24 September. In the month of October of the same year he took part in the Conclave that elected Pope John Paul II.

He was Relator of the V Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops which took place in 1980 on the theme: "Mission of the Christian Family in the world of today", and was Delegate President of the VI Ordinary General Assembly of 1983 on "Reconciliation and Penance in the mission of the Church".

John Paul II named him Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and President of the Pontifical Biblical Commission and of the International Theological Commission on 25 November 1981. On 15 February 1982 he resigned the pastoral governance of the Archdiocese of Munich and Freising. The Holy Father elevated him to the Order of Bishops assigning to him the Suburbicarian See of Velletri-Segni on 5 April 1993.

He was President of the Preparatory Commission for the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which after six years of work (1986-1992) presented the new Catechism to the Holy Father.

On 6 November 1998 the Holy Father approved the election of Cardinal Ratzinger as Vice-Dean of the College of Cardinals, submitted by the Cardinals of the Order of Bishops. On 30 November 2002 he approved his election as Dean; together with this office he was entrusted with the Suburbicarian See of Ostia.

In 1999 he was Special Papal Envoy for the Celebration of the XII Centenary of the foundation of the Diocese of Paderborn, Germany which took place on 3 January.

Since 13 November 2000 he has been an Honorary Academic of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.

In the Roman Curia he has been a member of the Council of the Secretariat of State for Relations with States; of the Congregations for the Oriental Churches, for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, for Bishops, for the Evangelization of Peoples, for Catholic Education, for Clergy and for the Causes of the Saints; of the Pontifical Councils for Promoting Christian Unity, and for Culture; of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, and of the Pontifical Commissions for Latin America, "Ecclesia Dei", for the Authentic Interpretation of the Code of Canon Law, and for the Revision of the Code of Canon Law of the Oriental Churches.

Among his many publications special mention should be made of his "Introduction to Christianity", a compilation of University lectures on the Apostolic Creed published in 1968; "Dogma and Preaching" (1973) an anthology of essays, sermons and reflections dedicated to pastoral arguments.

His address to the Catholic Academy of Bavaria on "Why I am still in the Church" had a wide resonance; in it he stated with his usual clarity: "one can only be a Christian in the Church, not beside the Church".

His many publications are spread out over a number of years and constitute a point of reference for many people specially for those interested in entering deeper into the study of theology. In 1985 he published his interview-book on the situation of the faith (The Ratzinger Report) and in 1996 "Salt of the Earth". On the occasion of his 70th birthday the volume "At the School of Truth" was published, containing articles by several authors on different aspects of his personality and production.

He has received numerous "Honoris Causa" Doctorates, in 1984 from the College of St. Thomas in St. Paul, Minnesota; in 1986 from the Catholic University of Lima; in 1987 from the Catholic University of Eichstätt; in 1988 from the Catholic University of Lublin; in 1998 from the University of Navarre; in 1999 from the LUMSA (Libera Università Maria Santissima Assunta) of Rome and in 2000 from the Faculty of Theology of the University of Wrocław in Poland.

There are many theologians that have quite an impressive curriculum vitae that matches and exceeds that of the pope. And yet they still disagree with each other. I am not sure what your point here is.

 

[razeontherock]

Lastly the Church is not subject to temporal civil law. It is its own entity with its own system.

Ironic that in this same post you mentioned arrogance and pride.

Shameful that the Vatican is it's own entity, with it's own system, that leaves it out of reach of civil justice; but that comes nowhere near close to making your statement here true. You would think that both the RCC AND RC's would have learned this by now??

 

[Meepy]

Ironic that in this same post you mentioned arrogance and pride.

Shameful that the Vatican is it's own entity, with it's own system, that leaves it out of reach of civil justice; but that comes nowhere near close to making your statement here true. You would think that both the RCC AND RC's would have learned this by now??

I think we all already learned with King Henry VIII when he tried to make the Church subject to his temporal civil power. Which later led to the dissolution of monasteries, the 30 Years war, the pilgrimage of Grace rebellion, and an enormous persecution.

God's laws should be put under human man made civil laws? Where the spiritual is put under the laws of the temporal? Which basically says that human civil laws are above that of God's laws. Now that is quite prideful.

The Church is its own spiritual entity subject to only God, not civil power.

 

[godisreal36]

The Crusades were a defensive measure against the Muslim takeover. And essentially the Crusades were sparked by the Seljuk Turks when the desecrated Christian lands. Without the crusades Europe would have been taken over by the Muslims.

Priest molesting children is awful. But is happens in all other religious groups. Its just the media doesn't air those and only airs the Catholic Church's because they are the biggest target.

Lastly the Church is not subject to temporal civil law. It is its own entity with its own system. As far as "forget your false beliefs" that is just your view on what you think is false and the same could be said regarding protestant 'false beliefs'.

Maybe it was and wasn't. I cannot speak for God concerning this. Jesus told Peter to lay down His Sword. Why would His followers be Better than Peter? Murder is murder, God does set up wars i agree, men will fight wars regardless of His commandment to lay down their swords and pick up HIS sword which is the Word of God. If it did protect anything it is because of hateful men and their desire for war which is not Gods way.

I must think however with the Islamic Dome of the Rock or whatever its called sitting on top of that Holy Place, with the words " God has no Son" on the dome, contradicts this belief of yours. Don't worry though we all get it wrong sometimes, I have been wrong many times and will be again I'm sure. If we didn't get it wrong sometimes, we wouldn't need Grace to sustain us through it. Hope in Jesus friend. Its the Lords will.


I cannot believe the amount of arrogance that permeates from blind assumption. It really is a bad habit humanity gets into because of pride.

I'm am of no belief accept that of the Bible and represent no one church, only my master Jesus

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'm am of no belief accept that of the Bible and represent no one church, only my master Jesus

Ya don't want to "disown" Him

2 Peter 2:1 There became yet also False Prophets in the people, as also in ye shall be FalseTeachers, whoany shall be carrying in sects of destruction.
And the One buying them, Owner/Master/despothn <1203>, disowning, bringing on them swift destruction.
[Matt 24:11/Jude 1:4]

Reve 6:10 And they cry out to a great voice saying "how long, the Owner/Master/despothV <1203> the Holy and True, not Thou are judging and avenging the blood of us from out of the ones homing upon the land?"

Strong's Number G1203 matches the Greek &#948;&#949;&#963;&#960;&#8057;&#964;&#951;&#962; (despot&#275;s), which occurs 10 times in 10 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV
1203. despotes des-pot'-ace perhaps from 1210 and posis (a husband); an absolute ruler ("despot"):--Lord, master.

 

[RibI]

I cannot believe the amount of arrogance that permeates from blind assumption. It really is a bad habit humanity gets into because of pride.

And the pope is THE prime expmple of that.

 

[godisreal36]

The Crusades were a defensive measure against the Muslim takeover. And essentially the Crusades were sparked by the Seljuk Turks when the desecrated Christian lands. Without the crusades Europe would have been taken over by the Muslims.

Priest molesting children is awful. But is happens in all other religious groups. Its just the media doesn't air those and only airs the Catholic Church's because they are the biggest target.

Lastly the Church is not subject to temporal civil law. It is its own entity with its own system. As far as "forget your false beliefs" that is just your view on what you think is false and the same could be said regarding protestant 'false beliefs'.


I cannot believe the amount of arrogance that permeates from blind assumption. It really is a bad habit humanity gets into because of pride.

The Holy crusades Contradicts Peters teaching and its plain to see. God told peter to lay down his sword and he did. The crusaders did not follow Peter at all. The dome of the rock sitting on top of that Holy place in Jerusalem contradicts your defense measure philosophy. The dome sitting on that site has the words "God has no Son" encircling it. The crusaders didn't do a very good job I think. God says not to make war but peace instead, however HE knows that men are evil and will make war anyways, He may use them for His purpose but the Crusades was Not a Holy cause at all.

Molestring children, burning witches, unholy crusades, and many other things contradicts God and His Word and His servant Peter who's better than any Pope i must think.

Some popes are Good servants to God i think, some are not such good servants also i must think. So yes i know more than the pope sometimes concerning a couple things maybe, depending on which pope we're talking about. False beliefs will come crashing down one day just like the Holy Temple the Jews thought wouldn't come crashing down either, but it did.

Trust in the Lord Jesus friend, That's Gods will. We all get it wrong sometimes my friend in Jesus, thats what Gods Grace is for, just lean on His Grace and all will be well regardless of what we believe.

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

Did my previous question of why does the pope sit on a throne get answered? If it has, please tell me the number of the post(s). And if it hasn't been answered yet, will someone please answer it then? Thank you.

 

[CryptoLutheran]

And the pope is THE prime expmple of that.

Out of curiosity, how many of his writings have you read, both when he was Cardinal Ratzinger and in the last few years that he's been Pope?

I ask, because frankly this statement of yours sounds like blind judgment.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Did my previous question of why does the pope sit on a throne get answered? If it has, please tell me the number of the post(s). Thank you.

What do you and others make of Reve 2:13

Matthew 23:2 saying "upon the Seat of Moses are seated the Scribes and the Pharisees

Reve 2:13 I am aware of the works of thee and where thou are dwelling, the-where the Throne of the Satan and thou are holding the Name of Me and not disown the faith of Me,
even in the days in which Antipas, the witness of Me the faithful, who was killed beside ye the-where the Satan is dwelling.

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

What do you and others make of Reve 2:13

Matthew 23:2 saying "upon the Seat of Moses are seated the Scribes and the Pharisees

Reve 2:13 I am aware of the works of thee and where thou are dwelling, the-where the Throne of the Satan and thou are holding the Name of Me and not disown the faith of Me,
even in the days in which of Antipas the witness of Me the faithful who was killed beside ye the-where the Satan is dwelling.

I don't know. Hm... do you think the pope fits these descriptions?

 

[98cwitr]

The Holy crusades Contradicts Peters teaching and its plain to see. God told peter to lay down his sword and he did. The crusaders did not follow Peter at all. The dome of the rock sitting on top of that Holy place in Jerusalem contradicts your defense measure philosophy. The dome sitting on that site has the words "God has no Son" encircling it. The crusaders didn't do a very good job I think. God says not to make war but peace instead, however HE knows that men are evil and will make war anyways, He may use them for His purpose but the Crusades was Not a Holy cause at all.

Molestring children, burning witches, unholy crusades, and many other things contradicts God and His Word and His servant Peter who's better than any Pope i must think.

Some popes are Good servants to God i think, some are just plain evil also i must think. So yes i know more than the pope sometimes, depending on which one we're talking about. False beliefs will come crashing down one day just like the Holy Temple the Jews thought wouldnt come crashing down, but it did.

Trust in the Lord Jesus friend, That's Gods will. We all get it wrong friend, thats what Gods Grace is for, just lean on His Grace and all will be well regardless of what we believe.

Let's not forget the sale of indulgences that Luther was so opposed to! I have yet to understand how such corruption could come upon a people.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I don't know. Hm... do you think the pope fits these descriptions?

There have been a lot of Popes down thru the centuries.....so I would answer no
Check out Matt 23......

 

[DiligentlySeekingGod]

There have been a lot of Popes down thru the centuries.....so I would answer no
Check out Matt 23......

All right. Thank you for answering my question.

 

[Meepy]

The Holy crusades Contradicts Peters teaching and its plain to see. God told peter to lay down his sword and he did. The crusaders did not follow Peter at all. The dome of the rock sitting on top of that Holy place in Jerusalem contradicts your defense measure philosophy. The dome sitting on that site has the words "God has no Son" encircling it. The crusaders didn't do a very good job I think. God says not to make war but peace instead, however HE knows that men are evil and will make war anyways, He may use them for His purpose but the Crusades was Not a Holy cause at all.

Molestring children, burning witches, unholy crusades, and many other things contradicts God and His Word and His servant Peter who's better than any Pope i must think.

Some popes are Good servants to God i think, some are just plain evil also i must think. So yes i know more than the pope sometimes, depending on which one we're talking about. False beliefs will come crashing down one day just like the Holy Temple the Jews thought wouldnt come crashing down, but it did.

Trust in the Lord Jesus friend, That's Gods will. We all get it wrong friend, thats what Gods Grace is for, just lean on His Grace and all will be well regardless of what we believe.

I think you are using a false parallel regarding Peter and Malchus. The takeover of Islam was a threat to the christian peace and solidarity among the peoples in Europe. If you want an example, take a look at what happened in Byzantium. The crusaders weren't able to fully defend the area and it was taken over by Islam, in which the eastern Christians were forced to pay the submission tax and have their religious liberty and human rights hampered.

God is not against war for self defense or divine conquest like in the OT. The Hebrews had to go to war against the Pagans to take over the promised land. Look at the war conquests of Joshua, Gideon, Barak, Omri, Samson, King David, and Judas Maccabees.

While war in all cases should be seen as a last resort and every angle used to prevent it. I'd say 99% of all cases war can be avoided. Sometimes in certain cases Just war is needed to protect the peoples..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

All right. Thank you for answering my question.

I would hope and pray that the Pope and his Denomination would study more on the jewish/hebrew book of Revelation so they will not have to spend so much time defending themselves against the views of some sects/Denoms within Christianity indentifying the Pope/Papacy as being "antichrist" in Revelation.
Just my most humble opinion

http://www.christianforums.com/t6814752-85/#post43249406
Martin Luther identifies the Antichrist over 500 years ago!

 

[sunlover1]

The Holy crusades Contradicts Peters teaching and its plain to see. God told peter to lay down his sword and he did. The crusaders did not follow Peter at all. The dome of the rock sitting on top of that Holy place in Jerusalem contradicts your defense measure philosophy. The dome sitting on that site has the words "God has no Son" encircling it. The crusaders didn't do a very good job I think. God says not to make war but peace instead, however HE knows that men are evil and will make war anyways, He may use them for His purpose but the Crusades was Not a Holy cause at all.

Molestring children, burning witches, unholy crusades, and many other things contradicts God and His Word and His servant Peter who's better than any Pope i must think.

Some popes are Good servants to God i think, some are not such good servants also i must think. So yes i know more than the pope sometimes concerning a couple things maybe, depending on which pope we're talking about. False beliefs will come crashing down one day just like the Holy Temple the Jews thought wouldn't come crashing down either, but it did.

Trust in the Lord Jesus friend, That's Gods will. We all get it wrong sometimes my friend in Jesus, thats what Gods Grace is for, just lean on His Grace and all will be well regardless of what we believe.

And amen