"So what?"

[Tropical Wilds]

"So what" was allegdely the response from President Donald J Trump on the afternoon of January 6th when one of his aids informed him that Pence had been taken to a secure location.

WaPo's Aaron Blake summarizes the 165-page partially redacted filing, which lays out the evidence Smith’s team would like to present in the long-delayed Jan. 6 federal criminal case against Trump.

....around 1:30 p.m., Trump settled into the dining room next to the Oval Office and “spent the afternoon there reviewing Twitter on his phone,” while Fox News played on TV. It suggests that prosecutors have forensic evidence from the activity logs on Trump’s phone to back up that he was “consistently” using his Twitter application.

A footnote says that, before Trump’s tweet attacking Pence, advisers told him that “there’s a riot, and there are people inside the Capitol Building,” and “someone’s gotten into the Capitol.”

The filing goes on to say that Trump was alone when he tweeted at 2:24 p.m. that Pence “didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution.” (Rioters at one point chanted for Pence’s hanging, and Pence had been evacuated at 2:13 p.m.)

All of those are crucial to establishing that Trump had reason to believe Pence could be in danger and that he knew things had gotten out of hand, and that he pressed forward with attacking Pence anyway. It also builds on extensive evidence suggesting Trump declined for hours to do something about the violence. He didn’t tell people to go home until 4:17 p.m.

But perhaps the most vivid new detail comes from shortly after Trump’s Pence tweet. It says an aide relayed a phone call to Trump stating that Pence had been taken to a secure location. The aide hoped Trump would do something to help, according to the filing.

Instead, Trump allegedly responded, “So what?”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/02/jack-smith-trump-2020-election-filing-takeaways/

I’m shocked.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

....hours after his staff and family members begged Trump to send that message!

Again...what the tweets actually said:

"Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!'
And:
"I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!

 

[wing2000]

Again...what the tweets actually said:

"Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!'
And:
"I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!

Right, after his advisors begged him.

His earlier tweet sent a much different message that was clearly received by the rioters:

"At 2:24 pm, Trump was alone in his dining room when he issued a Tweet attacking Pence and fueling the ongoing riot:

“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certifya corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”*®

That aftemoon, at the Capitol, a rioter used a bullhom to read the defendant's Tweet about the Vice President aloud tothe crowd trying to gain entry to the building. The defendant issued the incendiary Tweet about Pence despite knowing—as he would later admit in an interview in 2023—that his supporters “listen to [him] like no one else.

One minute later, at 2:25 p.m., the Secret Service was forced to evacuate Pence to a secure location.* At the Capitol, throughout the aftemoon, membersofthe crowd chanted, “Hang Mike Pence!”4; “Where is Pence? Bring him out!™*”; and “Traitor Pence!™***

 

[timothyu]

Amazing what lengths the elites will go to to protect themselves from the people they claim to represent. The upper crust knows their power is only as good as their security. Kings and popes had their own armies for that very purpose and of course their loyalty was paid for. Sad when a democracy must stoop to the same levels.

 

[ralliann]

That doesn't answer the question. Again, what do you think equity means?

It means people will not be treated equally. You can play these games and think yourself witty all you want. There is nothing that can get you out of that mode of operation...Not even this situation..Equity is outcome based, not treatment based. Peopls are suffering and being handled unequally based on lgbtq, issues and racial issues. I am tired of liberal games and spin. this situation being handled with DEI is SICK. And so are those who support it.

 

[RestoreTheJoy]

Right, after his advisors begged him.

His earlier tweet sent a much different message that was clearly received by the rioters:

"At 2:24 pm, Trump was alone in his dining room when he issued a Tweet attacking Pence and fueling the ongoing riot:

“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certifya corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”*®

That aftemoon, at the Capitol, a rioter used a bullhom to read the defendant's Tweet about the Vice President aloud tothe crowd trying to gain entry to the building. The defendant issued the incendiary Tweet about Pence despite knowing—as he would later admit in an interview in 2023—that his supporters “listen to [him] like no one else.

One minute later, at 2:25 p.m., the Secret Service was forced to evacuate Pence to a secure location.* At the Capitol, throughout the aftemoon, membersofthe crowd chanted, “Hang Mike Pence!”4; “Where is Pence? Bring him out!™*”; and “Traitor Pence!™***

That is what Trump actually said.
Your interpretation of what must have really happened is noted, but not evidence. Some single unknown random guy who says HE follows Trump like no one else does not speak to the facts, nor does he speak for anyone else.

We know what was said: it is on the record.

 

[DaisyDay]

That is what Trump actually said.
Your interpretation of what must have really happened is noted, but not evidence. Some single unknown random guy who says HE follows Trump like no one else does not speak to the facts, nor does he speak for anyone else.

We know what was said: it is on the record.

Even more of what he said/tweeted is now out on the public record.

 

[RileyG]

To be fair: Did Trump Hold the Bible Upside Down?

I don't care how he holds it, I think he admitted to never reading the Bible.

Don't understand why that's controversial? Given his record.

 

[The Barbarian]

I really don't know anymore.

If you vote libertarian, you'll be voting for the least of 3 evils. And you won't have to worry that your vote put a horrible person in office.

 

[RileyG]

If you vote libertarian, you'll be voting for the least of 3 evils. And you won't have to worry that your vote put a horrible person in office.

I doubt a libertarian will win the office of POTUS though.

 

[The Barbarian]

I doubt a libertarian will win the office of POTUS though.

I pretty much always lose. But I never felt guilty for making an incompetent racist criminal president.

So there is that. And I can dream someday, there will be enough left libertarians to legalize freedom.

 

[BPPLEE]

I am an American who believes in fidelity to the United States Consitution and the rule of law. Like Trump, I took an oath to defend the Constitution.



These "liberals" did not try to stop an official act of the US Congress as prescribed by our Constituion.

They just burned and looted, took over a police station, caused over a billion in damages and seized an area of a city and made it there own autonomous zone.
How long did the January 6th incident last? Less than a day?

 

[BPPLEE]

Was there any single person that summer who could have put a stop to the rioting by telling everyone to go home? But then refused to do so until hours later?

Tim Walz could have sent in the National Guard when it started

 

[The Barbarian]

They just burned and looted, took over a police station, caused over a billion in damages and seized an area of a city and made it there own autonomous zone.

My son lives in that area. He didn't see any burning buildings or looting. The idiots took over a police station. The city just closed the part they occupied, and they gave up and left eventually, Not remotely like the mob that tried to overturn a presidential election by attacking the Capitol to "hang Mike Pence."

Like the insurrectionists, the rioters in Seattle had a good number of them arrested and sentenced.

Which is the way it should be.

 

[BPPLEE]

My son lives in that area. He didn't see any burning buildings or looting. The idiots took over a police station. The city just closed the part they occupied, and they gave up and left eventually, Not remotely like the mob that tried to overturn a presidential election by attacking the Capitol to "hang Mike Pence."

Like the insurrectionists, the rioters in Seattle had a good number of them arrested and sentenced.

Which is the way it should be.

It wasn't isolated to just where your son lives. The fires were burning in the background while CNN reported they were mostly peaceful protests

 

[lifepsyop]

The idiots took over a police station. The city just closed the part they occupied, and they gave up and left eventually,

I like how you casually state "they just took over a police station", as if it's a mild-mannered case of over-enthusiasm.

Can you imagine the absolute conniption you would fall into if a bunch of MAGA people took over a police station, or did something the equivalent to the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. You'd probably be screaming for immediate airstrikes to take out those traitors to the constitution.

Not remotely like the mob that tried to overturn a presidential election by attacking the Capitol to "hang Mike Pence."

January 6th, the deadliest day in history.

You can tell how serious the organized insurrection was by how unarmed everyone was.

I saw some broken windows and a man stealing a podium. Democracy almost died that day.

 

[The Barbarian]

It wasn't isolated to just where your son lives. The fires were burning in the background while CNN reported they were mostly peaceful protests

Live went on, on Capitol Hill, pretty much as before. Even the new tech hires from Amazon continued to drive up rents there. Toward the end of the occupation, there were several shootings, and at least 2 sexual assaults.

The violent end of the Capitol Hill Organized Protest, explained

Seattle’s police-free neighborhood started experiencing violence, but locals still don’t trust the police.

www.vox.com

 

[The Barbarian]

January 6th, the deadliest day in history.

The closest America has come to a coup.

You can tell how serious the organized insurrection was by how unarmed everyone was.

It was organized, but most of the organizers were pretty dumb. They actually planned the insurrection on social media.

On Far-Right Websites, Plans To Storm Capitol Were Made In Plain Sight​

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/07/954671745/on-far-right-websites-plans-to-storm-capitol-were-made-in-plain-sight

Made it easy for the law to round up a lot of the insurrectionists.

The Vice President ignored Donald Trump's orders to overturn the election, and while the mob looted offices, stealing computers and other equipment, and while they attacked Capitol police, the officers were able to hold them off until the legislators could be moved to secure locations.

Mussolini wasn't the smartest guy in the world, but this would have disgusted him. They learned from this debacle. Next time, they'll do better.

If Trump loses in a close election, he'll try it again.

 

[BPPLEE]

Live went on, on Capitol Hill, pretty much as before. Even the new tech hires from Amazon continued to drive up rents there. Toward the end of the occupation, there were several shootings, and at least 2 sexual assaults.

The violent end of the Capitol Hill Organized Protest, explained

Seattle’s police-free neighborhood started experiencing violence, but locals still don’t trust the police.

www.vox.com

The link was just an ad for Vox

 

[BPPLEE]

The closest America has come to a coup.

It was organized, but most of the organizers were pretty dumb. They actually planned the insurrection on social media.

On Far-Right Websites, Plans To Storm Capitol Were Made In Plain Sight​

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/01/07/954671745/on-far-right-websites-plans-to-storm-capitol-were-made-in-plain-sight

Made it easy for the law to round up a lot of the insurrectionists.

The Vice President ignored Donald Trump's orders to overturn the election, and while the mob looted offices, stealing computers and other equipment, and while they attacked Capitol police, the officers were able to hold them off until the legislators could be moved to secure locations.

Mussolini wasn't the smartest guy in the world, but this would have disgusted him. They learned from this debacle. Next time, they'll do better.

If Trump loses in a close election, he'll try it again.

There was almost a coup by people armed with flag poles and bear spray?