"So what?"

[The Barbarian]

Since there were days of rioting by BLM supporters including arson in a number of places,

But you can't show us one case of a BLM member involved in that? We all know why.

you are hard pressed to prove that this building burned solely because this guy broke a window and was chased away.

He also wrote graffiti encouraging looting. And notice that he succeeded. After he smashed the windows and wrote his "free stuff" on the wall, the store was looted and torched. The fact that BLM marchers eventually ran him off, didn't change the results; he got what he wanted.

 

[BPPLEE]

And yet I showed you several instances where they did. In two cases, they instigated violence by committing acts of violence. And yes, not all right-wing terrorists are white supremacists.

Yes, you’ve shown 6 or 7 people, 4 of whom were arrested before they did anything

 

[The Barbarian]

Yes, you’ve shown 6 or 7 people, 4 of whom were arrested before they did anything

Other than inciting rioting,looting, and arson.

Almost all BLM marches were peaceful, except when extremists tried to disrupt them. We all understand why.

 

[rjs330]

Except that you don't actually know that the rioters were BLM supporters or you would have posted some corroboration.

How does this excuse Donald's callousness towards his own VP?

Apparently, Sen. Grassley was waiting in the wings to perform the act of treason Pence refused.

x.com

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Grassley suggests he may preside over Senate debate on Electoral College votes • Iowa Capital Dispatch

Sen. Chuck Grassley, Senate president pro tempore, suggested he may preside over the U.S. Senate debate regarding counting Electoral College votes.

iowacapitaldispatch.com

Yeah I can legitimately extrapolate that rioters that extended from the BLM protests were BLM supporters by shear volume. I don't need to cooborate anything. A bunch of people protested in favor of BLM and then rioted after. Seems reasonable to me.

 

[DaisyDay]

Yeah I can legitimately extrapolate that rioters that extended from the BLM protests were BLM supporters by shear volume. I don't need to cooborate anything. A bunch of people protested in favor of BLM and then rioted after. Seems reasonable to me.

It doesn't make sense to me that peaceful protesters - and 93% of the protests were peaceful - would turn around and riot. It makes more sense that opportunists, counter-protesters and extremists would show up late in the day for trouble-making.

 

[BPPLEE]

It doesn't make sense to me that peaceful protesters - and 93% of the protests were peaceful - would turn around and riot. It makes more sense that opportunists, counter-protesters and extremists would show up late in the day for trouble-making.

Mostly opportunists

 

[The Barbarian]

Yeah I can legitimately extrapolate that rioters that extended from the BLM protests were BLM supporters by shear volume.

Given that the data show lots of white supremacists and other right-wing terrorists inciting riots, killing police officers, and vandalizing property, given that the data show no BLM members doing any of that, and given that BLM marchers actually tried to prevent people from doing those things, it's clear that you're completely wrong.

White supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter supporters triggered riots, Richmond mayor says​

Stoney thanked the Black Lives Matter protesters who remained peaceful and did not follow the lead of the instigators.

“As I began with, I want to send a thanks to the BLM protesters on the ground who decried the white supremacists once they were identified. I’m thankful to you for drawing the line and sticking up not just for the sanctity of your movement, but also the safety of your fellow Richmonders that you marched alongside as well,” he said.

White supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter supporters triggered riots, Richmond mayor says - Washington Examiner

Undercover white supremacists are to blame for the riots that took place during the Black Lives Matter protests in Richmond, Virginia, according to Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney.Stoney said on Sunday that white supremacists were "marching under the banner of Black Lives Matter" during the...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

BLM protesters protected the lone cop​

It is true that Black Lives Matter protesters in Louisville protected a police officer who was alone, according to the Louisville Courier Journal, part of the USA TODAY Network.

The officer, Galen Hinshaw, was responding to another officer’s call for help over the radio, when he found himself alone in a crowd of protesters. He backed up against a wall and stopped to reassess the situation, when some protesters moved closer and started to shout at him.

As Hinshaw was scanning the crowd for weapons and waiting for help, a protester in a red University of Louisville mask stepped in front of him and the closest protester. Another protester, local entrepreneur Darrin Lee Jr., linked arms with the man in the red mask.

“Once I saw the guy with the red mask step up, I said, 'I gotta step up,'” Lee told the Courier Journal. “It was reactive. I just went.”

More protesters joined to form a barricade around Hinshaw until other officers arrived.

“Those guys, they saved me,” Hinshaw told the Courier Journal. “There’s no doubt about it.”

Fact check: BLM protesters in Louisville protected a lone police officer

A viral post is true: Black Lives Matter protesters helped a police officer, while actions of U.S. Capitol rioters led to the death of one.

www.yahoo.com

But you're sure that these are the guys responsible for rioting? C'mon.

I don't need to cooborate anything.

That's the beauty of imagination; you don't need to support it with facts. It can be whatever you want it to be.

Putting together a believable claim is a bit more difficult.

 

[rjs330]

We all know why.

Yeah because no one checked.

After he smashed the windows and wrote his "free stuff" on the wall, the store was looted and torched. The fact that BLM marchers eventually ran him off, didn't change the results; he got what he wanted.

Oh yes and all those BLM supporters had all the morals to just turn away from some random spray painted message. Great people they were. So influenced my some spray paint. High calibre people with strong values.

 

[rjs330]

Given that the data show lots of white supremacists and other right-wing terrorists inciting riots, killing police officers, and vandalizing property, given that the data show no BLM members doing any of that, and given that BLM marchers actually tried to prevent people from doing those things, it's clear that you're completely wrong.

White supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter supporters triggered riots, Richmond mayor says​

Stoney thanked the Black Lives Matter protesters who remained peaceful and did not follow the lead of the instigators.

“As I began with, I want to send a thanks to the BLM protesters on the ground who decried the white supremacists once they were identified. I’m thankful to you for drawing the line and sticking up not just for the sanctity of your movement, but also the safety of your fellow Richmonders that you marched alongside as well,” he said.

White supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter supporters triggered riots, Richmond mayor says - Washington Examiner

Undercover white supremacists are to blame for the riots that took place during the Black Lives Matter protests in Richmond, Virginia, according to Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney.Stoney said on Sunday that white supremacists were "marching under the banner of Black Lives Matter" during the...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

BLM protesters protected the lone cop​

It is true that Black Lives Matter protesters in Louisville protected a police officer who was alone, according to the Louisville Courier Journal, part of the USA TODAY Network.

The officer, Galen Hinshaw, was responding to another officer’s call for help over the radio, when he found himself alone in a crowd of protesters. He backed up against a wall and stopped to reassess the situation, when some protesters moved closer and started to shout at him.

As Hinshaw was scanning the crowd for weapons and waiting for help, a protester in a red University of Louisville mask stepped in front of him and the closest protester. Another protester, local entrepreneur Darrin Lee Jr., linked arms with the man in the red mask.

“Once I saw the guy with the red mask step up, I said, 'I gotta step up,'” Lee told the Courier Journal. “It was reactive. I just went.”

More protesters joined to form a barricade around Hinshaw until other officers arrived.

“Those guys, they saved me,” Hinshaw told the Courier Journal. “There’s no doubt about it.”

Fact check: BLM protesters in Louisville protected a lone police officer

A viral post is true: Black Lives Matter protesters helped a police officer, while actions of U.S. Capitol rioters led to the death of one.

www.yahoo.com

But you're sure that these are the guys responsible for rioting? C'mon.

That's the beauty of imagination; you don't need to support it with facts. It can be whatever you want it to be.

Putting together a believable claim is a bit more difficult.

Yup still responsible. Mostly.

BLM rioter sentenced to 5 years in prison for setting Portland police building on fire

A Black Lives Matter rioter was sentenced to five years in prison after pleading guilty to first-degree arson for setting the Portland Police Bureau’s north precinct on fire at an Antifa riot last June.

thepostmillennial.com

BLM Rioter Found Guilty of Murdering Black Missouri Police Captain

I'm sure all those looters with that guy were white supremacists.

 

[timothyu]

It makes more sense that opportunists, counter-protesters and extremists would show up late in the day for trouble-making.

You mean the ones mysteriously and conveniently supplied with pallets of bricks and fireworks across the nation?

 

[The Barbarian]

I don't need to cooborate anything.

Imaginary stuff needs no evidence. But reality is more demanding.

BLM Rioter Found Guilty of Murdering Black Missouri Police Captain

I'm sure all those looters with that guy were white supremacists.

Except he wasn't a "BLM rioter" any more than the "Umbrella man" who incited arson and looting. But he's black, and the National Review's tendency is to assume those folks are all alike, but he has no more connection to BLM than the white supremacists who were murdering police, looting and torching buildings.

And yes, as you learned, BLM members called out those trying to incite rioters and protected a police officer from a mob. White supremacists were shooting them.

White supremacists disguised as Black Lives Matter supporters triggered riots, Richmond mayor says​

Stoney thanked the Black Lives Matter protesters who remained peaceful and did not follow the lead of the instigators.

“As I began with, I want to send a thanks to the BLM protesters on the ground who decried the white supremacists once they were identified. I’m thankful to you for drawing the line and sticking up not just for the sanctity of your movement, but also the safety of your fellow Richmonders that you marched alongside as well,” he said.

This isn't saying that every rioter was a right-wing terrorists. All we can say for sure, is that right-wing terrorists were trying to disrupt the marches and were attempting to incite riots.

And, as you see, BLM members were trying to help police stop the riots and in at least one case, saved an officer from those people.

 

[The Barbarian]

You mean the ones mysteriously and conveniently supplied with pallets of bricks and fireworks across the nation?

You were really fooled about that...

What's True
Protesters in many major U.S. cities used bricks to cause destruction — or, in some cases, to injure police — while walking on streets during the 2020 demonstrations.

What's False
No evidence suggests a coordinated effort existed on behalf of government entities or billionaires to place bricks on protest routes to incite violence during the demonstrations. Also, evidence showed that in many cases "suspicious" bricks depicted on social media were on streets for ongoing construction projects, not "planted" for protesters.

What's Undetermined
It is possible that protesters themselves could have strategically placed bricks in easily accessible spots to facilitate causing property damage, though no evidence proved that was indeed occurring.
Were Pallets of Bricks Strategically Placed at US Protest Sites?

It wasn't just right-wing conspiracy buffs touting this story. Some on the left made the same accusation only imagining the police were involved:

In regards to that latter point, a video that was viewed more than 3.2 million times in just days (even after the user who apparently captured the footage deleted it) showed police officers in Boston preparing bricks in the bed of a pickup to allegedly drop off at protest sites, according to claims online. One Instagram caption to the footage read:

They are trying to delegitimize protests and trick people into using the bricks. If people start throwing the bricks, they can use excessive force, and worse. #blacklivesmatter #acab #baitbricks

Foolish paranoia isn't exclusively a right-wing thing.

 

[rjs330]

And, as you see, BLM members

How do you know they were BLM members? Did they present their BLM membership cards?

I think what we are actually finding is that there were good BLM people and bad BLM people. With 7% of protests turned rioting we certainly can say that. In fact it would be entirely fair to say that most of them were good.

 

[Francis 1928]

I don't think you can call Boogaloo Boise and other white supremacists, "liberals." As you know, they were the ones caught inciting and taking part in the vandalism and arson. Would you like me to show you again?

AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals​

Some of those facing charges undoubtedly share far-left and anti-government views. Far-right protesters also have been arrested and charged.

AP finds most arrested in protests aren't leftist radicals

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump portrays the hundreds of people arrested nationwide in protests against racial injustice as violent urban left-wing radicals.

apnews.com

Turns out a significant number of Antifa people were involved, but apparently not BLM. And of course, the far right and white supremacists were often responsible for many of the crimes.

Antifa supported liberals during those riots .Nice try .

 

[rjs330]

You were really fooled about that...

What's True
Protesters in many major U.S. cities used bricks to cause destruction — or, in some cases, to injure police — while walking on streets during the 2020 demonstrations.

What's False
No evidence suggests a coordinated effort existed on behalf of government entities or billionaires to place bricks on protest routes to incite violence during the demonstrations. Also, evidence showed that in many cases "suspicious" bricks depicted on social media were on streets for ongoing construction projects, not "planted" for protesters.

What's Undetermined
It is possible that protesters themselves could have strategically placed bricks in easily accessible spots to facilitate causing property damage, though no evidence proved that was indeed occurring.
Were Pallets of Bricks Strategically Placed at US Protest Sites?

It wasn't just right-wing conspiracy buffs touting this story. Some on the left made the same accusation only imagining the police were involved:

In regards to that latter point, a video that was viewed more than 3.2 million times in just days (even after the user who apparently captured the footage deleted it) showed police officers in Boston preparing bricks in the bed of a pickup to allegedly drop off at protest sites, according to claims online. One Instagram caption to the footage read:



Foolish paranoia isn't exclusively a right-wing thing.

While it's true that there isn't any direct evidence that government or billionaires supplied the bricks and there is evidence that some of the bricks etc where from construction sites, it's also likely that some were supplied by the rioters themsleves. Just like frozen water bottles and molotov cocktails.

 

[The Barbarian]

While it's true that there isn't any direct evidence that government or billionaires supplied the bricks and there is evidence that some of the bricks etc where from construction sites, it's also likely that some were supplied by the rioters themsleves.

The problem with conspiracy stories fitting into reality is always evidence. Or rather, the lack of it.

 

[The Barbarian]

Antifa supported liberals during those riots .

While it is difficult to assess with fidelity the identity or ideology of many of the looters, my conversations with law enforcement and intelligence officials in multiple U.S. cities suggest that Antifa played a minor role in violence. The vast majority of looting appeared to come from local opportunists with no affiliation and no political objectives. Most were common criminals.

Still, there was some evidence of organized activity by left-wing and right-wing extremists, including from individuals that traveled from other states. John Miller, the deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism at the New York Police Department, warned that a small, fringe network of extremists organized violence in New York City. “Before the protests began, organizers of certain anarchist groups set out to raise bail money and people who would be responsible to be raising bail money, they set out to recruit medics and medical teams with gear to deploy in anticipation of violent interactions with police,” he said, based on intelligence collected by New York’s Joint Terrorism Task Force. “They prepared to commit property damage and directed people who were following them that this should be done selectively and only in wealthier areas or at high-end stores run by corporate entities.” There were also multiple reports of white supremacists infiltrating peaceful protests in cities like Boston, Denver, Tampa, and Dallas.

To add to the confusion, there was significant disinformation and a proliferation of fake accounts on social media platforms. For example, Twitter shut down several accounts that it said were operated by a white supremacist group called Identity Evropa, which was posing as Antifa. In one fake account with the Twitter handle @Antifa_US, Identity Evropa members allegedly called for violence in white suburban areas in the name of Black Lives Matters.

Who Are Antifa, and Are They a Threat?

On May 31, President Trump announced he would designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. Antifa refers to a decentralized network of far-left militants that oppose fascists and racists, and CSIS data shows Antifa pose a relatively small threat in the United States.

www.csis.org

 

[rjs330]

The problem with conspiracy stories fitting into reality is always evidence. Or rather, the lack of it.

Even your source recognized what I was saying.

 

[rjs330]

Antifa supported liberals during those riots .Nice try .

Yes it looks to be so. From Barbarians source

Before the protests began, organizers of certain anarchist groups set out to raise bail money and people who would be responsible to be raising bail money, they set out to recruit medics and medical teams with gear to deploy in anticipation of violent interactions with police,” he said, based on intelligence collected by New York’s Joint Terrorism Task Force. “They prepared to commit property damage and directed people who were following them that this should be done selectively and only in wealthier areas or at high-end stores run by corporate entities.”

 

[timothyu]

Foolish paranoia isn't exclusively a right-wing thing.

True but is was shown on the evening news