So I am thinking of calling Evolutionists out, on which word reminds them of the theory they have

[Gottservant]

Hi there,

So yes, I am thinking of presenting a question to Evolutionists, as to which word reminds them of the theory they have - that is "the theory" as distinct from the Evolution they conflate it with.

The question has a point: Christ's words "what I say to you, I say to everyone: Watch!" remind me to take His words seriously, it is not for granted that He reminds us to be diligent about what we believe from moment to moment.

Without really thinking about it or not, God sort of said to me "just post it, that's what I want", which gave me the impression that God does not expect anything in return for it - being considered His, in the end: but I would rather have the game worked out, beforehand -- not that I want to play a game, but that it seems to me that's what Evolution is ("if everything is a means to an end, you are playing a game" -author).

What do you think, should I give them a chance to shoot me down, or should I just take to heart that the words of Christ are the only words to live by?

 

[HTacianas]

I think you should take to heart that evolution is not a theological discussion.

 

[Serving Zion]

Hi there,

So yes, I am thinking of presenting a question to Evolutionists, as to which word reminds them of the theory they have - that is "the theory" as distinct from the Evolution they conflate it with.

The question has a point: Christ's words "what I say to you, I say to everyone: Watch!" remind me to take His words seriously, it is not for granted that He reminds us to be diligent about what we believe from moment to moment.

Without really thinking about it or not, God sort of said to me "just post it, that's what I want", which gave me the impression that God does not expect anything in return for it - being considered His, in the end: but I would rather have the game worked out, beforehand -- not that I want to play a game, but that it seems to me that's what Evolution is ("if everything is a means to an end, you are playing a game" -author).

What do you think, should I give them a chance to shoot me down, or should I just take to heart that the words of Christ are the only words to live by?

A relevant wisdom comes to mind as you say this, found in 1 Timothy 1:3-7, which though not speaking of Evolution or even of outreach to unbelievers, there is some principle that applies so far as Ephesians 4:25 is concerned:

Stay there in Ephesus, to direct certain people not to pass on different instruction, or to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies. These give rise to useless speculations rather than God’s training which is in faithfulness. Now the goal of this command is love from of a pure heart and a clear conscience and a genuine faith. Some, having missed the mark, have turned away to fruitless discussion — wanting to be teachers of Torah, even though they do not understand what they keep saying or what they so dogmatically assert.

 

[dysert]

What would you say to them?

 

[joshua 1 9]

which word reminds them of the theory they have

The word would be TIME. Evolutionists believe in slow gradual change over time. Creationists tend to believe in rapid change over short periods of time.

The very first word in the Bible is beginning and some people would say the beginning was a synergy of time and matter. Or a point in time and space.

 

[dysert]

The word would be TIME. Evolutionists believe in slow gradual change over time. Creationists tend to believe in rapid change over short periods of time.

The very first word in the Bible is beginning and some people would say the beginning was a synergy of time and matter. Or a point in time and space.

And how does that work against the evolutionists? (Not arguing, just asking.)

 

[Gell]

I think it’s already been refuted several times but people just want to hold on to that. They believe what they want to believe without informing themselves thoroughly.
DNA can not increase information, it can have mutations but the creature will still be what it is as its DNA dictates.

 

[joshua 1 9]

And how does that work against the evolutionists? (Not arguing, just asking.)

Their theory breaks down because they have no beginning. Their theory does not tell us where life comes from, only how life changes over time.

 

[SilverBear]

I think it’s already been refuted several times but people just want to hold on to that. They believe what they want to believe without informing themselves thoroughly.
DNA can not increase information, it can have mutations but the creature will still be what it is as its DNA dictates.

Common ways that information in DNA can increase:
Gene Duplication
Vertical Gene Transfer
random noise maxamizers

 

[Gell]

Duplication, transfers
Is sorting files or copying them add any more information?

 

[Halbhh]

Hi there,

So yes, I am thinking of presenting a question to Evolutionists, as to which word reminds them of the theory they have - that is "the theory" as distinct from the Evolution they conflate it with.

The question has a point: Christ's words "what I say to you, I say to everyone: Watch!" remind me to take His words seriously, it is not for granted that He reminds us to be diligent about what we believe from moment to moment.

Without really thinking about it or not, God sort of said to me "just post it, that's what I want", which gave me the impression that God does not expect anything in return for it - being considered His, in the end: but I would rather have the game worked out, beforehand -- not that I want to play a game, but that it seems to me that's what Evolution is ("if everything is a means to an end, you are playing a game" -author).

What do you think, should I give them a chance to shoot me down, or should I just take to heart that the words of Christ are the only words to live by?

Take Christ's words to heart in Matthew, Mark, Like and John, and it will change your life.

 

[Gottservant]

I am sort of getting that there is no real answer.

God gives to the Devil to blind men and am I a sinner that can revoke that?

 

[Gottservant]

To keep you updated, I gave it a shot.

The response was basically, "we remember simple fragments of the theory's whole".

There is no breath of life between one aspect of the theory and another.

 

[Jamsie]

What do you think, should I give them a chance to shoot me down, or should I just take to heart that the words of Christ are the only words to live by?

Depends on how one defines "evolution" doesn't it?

 

[Colter]

Hi there,

So yes, I am thinking of presenting a question to Evolutionists, as to which word reminds them of the theory they have - that is "the theory" as distinct from the Evolution they conflate it with.

The question has a point: Christ's words "what I say to you, I say to everyone: Watch!" remind me to take His words seriously, it is not for granted that He reminds us to be diligent about what we believe from moment to moment.

Without really thinking about it or not, God sort of said to me "just post it, that's what I want", which gave me the impression that God does not expect anything in return for it - being considered His, in the end: but I would rather have the game worked out, beforehand -- not that I want to play a game, but that it seems to me that's what Evolution is ("if everything is a means to an end, you are playing a game" -author).

What do you think, should I give them a chance to shoot me down, or should I just take to heart that the words of Christ are the only words to live by?

"Plan" I'm an evolutionist who see's evolution as the outworking of Gods plan; growth in wisdom through experience. The Bible evolves, or mans understanding of God gets better throughout the scripture.

 

[Gottservant]

"Plan" was an interesting response (I am still thinking about it).

-=---

Basically, now I have arrived at the conclusion that what needs to happen is that Wisdom needs to establish that there are certain things that don't need to evolve, for example:

"Ready to strike, the least venomous bite is the sweetest"

 

[Job 33:6]

Duplication, transfers
Is sorting files or copying them add any more information?

When you duplicate something and you subsequently mutate, you are effectively adding a new and unique strand of dna.

 

[Gottservant]

"Plan" was an interesting response (I am still thinking about it).

-=---

Basically, now I have arrived at the conclusion that what needs to happen is that Wisdom needs to establish that there are certain things that don't need to evolve, for example:

"Ready to strike, the least venomous bite is the sweetest"

The thing that now strikes me - having written this "sweetest" thing - is that the Wisdom is sort of aimless: in comparison to Evolution.

Evolution looks on the exterior like something that has it together, (and?) is theoretically aggressive about what is going to happen and what isn't.

 

[Gottservant]

The thing I need to update you on is something I saw the Lord say: I was watching Pawn Stars Series 12 at the time.

Basically, there was a man in the Spirit watching, when someone that had come into the store mentioned "Evolution" as an ongoing series of changes - to which the Man in the Spirit said "I've always thought of that as childish (relying on perpetually more causes - sic)".

It sort of hit me, at that point: arguing for greater and greater causes, for the same ultimate outcome is childish... - is refusing to grow up and be accountable for at least a couple of those causes (that's how the Lord sees it: childish).

Now, I'm not saying it's wrong, we all have to be childish at some point: but in principle "its not wrong to depend on greater and greater causes, if the work you do on the basis of that is truer to the difference a child would ultimately ask for to be godly."

Do you follow what I am saying? That there is a connection between causation and godliness?

I'm not even saying "it has to be God" - anyone can demonstrate godliness - I'm just saying that you should avoid hiding behind your idea of godliness, because one day you will be found out, that in this case, you are simply being childish.

 

[lesliedellow]

I think it’s already been refuted several times but people just want to hold on to that. They believe what they want to believe without informing themselves thoroughly.
DNA can not increase information, it can have mutations but the creature will still be what it is as its DNA dictates.

http://toddcwood.blogspot.com/2009/09/truth-about-evolution.html