SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

[Dan Perez]

And this is what ACTS 15:1 SAYS !!

# 1 AND //. KAI ,is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 CERTAIN MEN //. TIS , INDEFINITE. PRONOUN , in a NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 3 WHICH CAME DOWN //. KATERCHOMIAI. , in. the. AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , a PARTICIPLE. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE.

in. the PLURAL

# 4 FROM // APO. , is a PREPOSITION

# 5. JUDAEA //. IOUDAIA , in the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 6 TAUGHT //. DIDASKO. , is in the IMPERFECT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

# 7 THE //. HO , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 8 BRETHREN // ADELPHOS. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 9 AND SAID //. was added , EXCEPT // ME , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

# 10. YE BE CIRCUMCISED // PENTEMNO. , in. the PESENT TENSE , in the PASSIVE VOICE. in. the SUBJUNCTIVE. , in. the PLURAL

# 11 AFTER THE // THE , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. , is in DATIVE. CASE. , in. the SINGULAR , is a NEUTER

# 12. MANNER. // ETHOS. in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR and. in. the NEUTER

# 13. OF MOSES // MOYSOS. in. the GENITIVE CASE. , in. the SINGULAR

# 14. NOT //. OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

# 15. YE CANNOT //. DYNAMA , in. the PRESENT TENSE in. the MIDDLE or PRESENT VOICE. in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

#. 16. BE SAVED // SOZO in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE.

And this verse PLAINLY says men , to be saved , you have to be CIRCUMCISED

# 17. And just what are woman going to. DO. ??

# 18 Are we saved by Rom 10:9 and 10 , if you confess with your mouth the LORD JESUS. and should believe your heart. that GOD.

raised Him from the dead you WILL BE SAVED

# 19 Are you saved by Water Baptism

# 20. Saved by BEING BORN AGAIN ?

# 21 Saved by WATER and the SPIRIT ??

What say you. ??

dan p

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

And this is what ACTS 15:1 SAYS !!

# 1 AND //. KAI ,is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 CERTAIN MEN //. TIS , INDEFINITE. PRONOUN , ina NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 3 WHICH CAME DOWN //. KATERCHOMIAI. , in. the. AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , a PARTICIPLE. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE.

in. the PLURAL

# 4 FROM // APO. , is a PREPOSITION

# 5. JUDAEA //. IOUDAIA , in the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 6 TAUGHT //. DIDASKO. , is in the IMPERFECT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

# 7 THE //. HO , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 8 BRETHREN // ADELPHOS. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 9 AND SAID //. was added , EXCEPT // ME , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

# 10. YE BE CIRCUMCISED // PENTEMNO. , in. the PESENT TENSE , in the PASSIVE VOICE. in. the SUBJUNCTIVE. , in. the PLURAL

# 11 AFTER THE // THE , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. , is a DATIVE ARTICILE. in. the DATIVE. CASE. , in. the SINGULAR , is a NEUTER

# 12. MANNER. // ETHOS. in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR and. in. the NEUTER

# 13. OF MOSES // MOYSOS. in. the GENITIVE CASE. , in. the SINGULAR

# 14. NOT //. OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

# 15. YE CANNOT //. DYNAMA , in. the PRESENT TENSE in. the MIDDLE or PRESENT VOICE. in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

#. 16. BE SAVED // SOZO in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE.

And this verse PLAINLY says men , to be saved , you have to be CIRCUMCISED

# 17. And just what are woman going to. DO. ??

# 18 Are we saved by Rom 10:9 and 10 , if you confess with your mouth the LORD JESUS. and should believe your heart. that GOD.

raised Him from the dead you WILL BE SAVED

# 19 Are you saved by Water Baptism

# 20. Saved by BEING BORN AGAIN ?

# 21 Saved by vvWater and the SPIRIT ??

What say you. ??

dan p

Jesus said someone giving another a cup of water will not lose their reward.

Mark 9:41
For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Giving a cup of water salvation it is then...pretty low bar ain't it?

1 John 4:7 makes it even simpler. Anyone who loves knows God and is born of God. To me that can technically apply to everyone, don't you think?

Why is it we think it's mandatory to threaten ourselves or other people with possible eternal torture anyway? It's kind of sick, really, if you think about it.

I have no issues with hell, and devils heading there. But I really can't see it for people. There's not a single named example of this supposed fact in the entire Bible. You might think with all the possible candidates at least ONE NAMED PERSON could have been singled out as an example? But alas, there is not a one to confirm this so called fact.

So why take on that darkness to anyone?

People who supposedly serve under threat of possible hell to themselves are brown nosing to save their own sorry hides. Like God is a criminal holding a gun to them. Who wouldn't cough up to save their life in that kind of setup?

Jesus had zero respect for that setup:

Marr. 25:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

Servants under duress might not walk away from the table with anything

Haven't you ever belonged to a sect where the congregants were just waiting for anyone to say or do anything they considered "out of line" so they could pounce on someone else with the proclamation of possible hell? It's really sickening, such sects. The churches are unfortunately filled with such megalomaniacs. There's just some compelling in their hearts that makes them want to be the arbiter of some other person's eternal fate.

The only long term survivor in this entire format is God in any case:

1 Cor. 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Who in their right mind would hold on to themselves, when they could simply give up everything to have Perfection Dwell in them? Seems like a pretty fair deal, don't you think?

 

[bling]

The guarantee we have been given to know God will fulfill all His promises is the indwelling Holy Spirit.

 

[Dan Perez]

Jesus said someone giving another a cup of water will not lose their reward.

Mark 9:41
For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Giving a cup of water salvation it is then...pretty low bar ain't it?

1 John 4:7 makes it even simpler. Anyone who loves knows God and is born of God. To me that can technically apply to everyone, don't you think?

Why is it we think it's mandatory to threaten ourselves or other people with possible eternal torture anyway? It's kind of sick, really, if you think about it.

I have no issues with hell, and devils heading there. But I really can't see it for people. There's not a single named example of this supposed fact in the entire Bible. You might think with all the possible candidates at least ONE NAMED PERSON could have been singled out as an example? But alas, there is not a one to confirm this so called fact.

So why take on that darkness to anyone?

People who supposedly serve under threat of possible hell to themselves are brown nosing to save their own sorry hides. Like God is a criminal holding a gun to them. Who wouldn't cough up to save their life in that kind of setup?

Jesus had zero respect for that setup:

Marr. 25:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

Servants under duress might not walk away from the table with anything

Haven't you ever belonged to a sect where the congregants were just waiting for anyone to say or do anything they considered "out of line" so they could pounce on someone else with the proclamation of possible hell? It's really sickening, such sects. The churches are unfortunately filled with such megalomaniacs. There's just some compelling in their hearts that makes them want to be the arbiter of some other person's eternal fate.

The only long term survivor in this entire format is God in any case:

1 Cor. 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Who in their right mind would hold on to themselves, when they could simply give up everything to have Perfection Dwell in them? Seems like a pretty fair deal, don't you think?

And you did write LOTS of words. and did not reply to the OP and I do like what Paul wrote because Paul

is the APOSTLE to. the GENTILES , BUT that does mean that I never use the Old TESTAMENT. when. anyone uses ''

the word out of CONTEXT. !!

Why not explain what Rom 11:32. means and like your REPLY. ??

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

Jesus said someone giving another a cup of water will not lose their reward.

Mark 9:41
For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Giving a cup of water salvation it is then...pretty low bar ain't it?

1 John 4:7 makes it even simpler. Anyone who loves knows God and is born of God. To me that can technically apply to everyone, don't you think?

Why is it we think it's mandatory to threaten ourselves or other people with possible eternal torture anyway? It's kind of sick, really, if you think about it.

I have no issues with hell, and devils heading there. But I really can't see it for people. There's not a single named example of this supposed fact in the entire Bible. You might think with all the possible candidates at least ONE NAMED PERSON could have been singled out as an example? But alas, there is not a one to confirm this so called fact.

So why take on that darkness to anyone?

People who supposedly serve under threat of possible hell to themselves are brown nosing to save their own sorry hides. Like God is a criminal holding a gun to them. Who wouldn't cough up to save their life in that kind of setup?

Jesus had zero respect for that setup:

Marr. 25:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

Servants under duress might not walk away from the table with anything

Haven't you ever belonged to a sect where the congregants were just waiting for anyone to say or do anything they considered "out of line" so they could pounce on someone else with the proclamation of possible hell? It's really sickening, such sects. The churches are unfortunately filled with such megalomaniacs. There's just some compelling in their hearts that makes them want to be the arbiter of some other person's eternal fate.

The only long term survivor in this entire format is God in any case:

1 Cor. 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Who in their right mind would hold on to themselves, when they could simply give up everything to have Perfection Dwell in them? Seems like a pretty fair deal, don't you think?

And giving some one a cup. of water will. GREAT. if Christ it to one called and ISRAELITE and you are standing. before Christ

is BIG. and this what will happen to. Israel !!

Now this what will happen. to. those saved BY. GRACE and PLACED into. the BODY OF CHRIST is in. 1. Cor 2:9. , Just as to

has been. written. which. the EYE. did not SEE , and the EAR did not HEAR and did NOT. come up upon the HEART

of MAN. the THINGS. God PREPARED for the Ones LOVING Him.

dan p

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

And you did write LOTS of words. and did not reply to the OP

CIting Jesus' cup of water as an example answered your question. Not losing a reward seems secure enough

Why not explain what Rom 11:32. means and like your REPLY. ??

It wasn't in my response, but if it was it speaks for itself without any splainin on my part anyway

 

[Dan Perez]

CIting Jesus' cup of water as an example answered your question. Not losing a reward seems secure enough

It wasn't in my response, but if it was it speaks for itself without any splainin on my part anyway

AND 1. John 5:118 reads this by the HOLY SPIRIT , had John write !!

# 1 WE KNOW // EID0 is v. I the Greek PERFECT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , and this MOOD

means yo better believe IT , and in. the PLURAL. , which means v. ALL better believe it

# 2 THAT // HOTI. , is. a CONJUNCATION

# 3. WHOSOEVER // PAS , is. a NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 4. IS. BORN // GENNAO is. in. the PEFECT TENSE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE , means God involved

# 5. OF // EK. , is. a PREPOSTION

# 6. GOD // THEOS. in. the GENITIVE CASE. , in. the SIGNULAR

# 7 SINNETH // HAMARTANO. is in. the PRESENY TENSE , means. that PRESENT TENSE is CONTINTINOUS , in. the SINGULAR

# 8. NOT // is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means NOTTTTT. EVERRRR SIN NNNN

How will you explain verse 18. as IT SPEAKS FOR IT SELF. and not talking about. a cup of WATER !!

dan p

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

How will you explain verse 18. as IT SPEAKS FOR IT SELF. and not talking about. a cup of WATER !!

dan p

I'm glad you find 1 John 5:18 difficult.

A "believer" is faced with 2 basic choices when reading that whosoever is born of God SINS NOT.

We can turn into lying hypocrites and claim we are not sinners, in the face of the obvious, that we are in fact sinners.

OR we can simply read the scripture and understand that there are 2 parties to this present drama, disclosed right there to see in the scripture, the person and the wicked one.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

People are not and can NOT see themselves as scripture sees us unless they are "born again," with their eyes and ears opened to the scriptural fact that people are presented in scripture thusly:

[the person and the tempter or his own] = A PERSON

2 parties, ONE LUMP, just as Paul describes for example in Romans 9:18-24, 1 Tim. 2:20-21, and even with himself in 2 Cor. 12:7

NOW, knowing this Dan P. which one of those parties SIN? And which does not?

We also know from Paul in 2 Cor. 5:19 that sins are not counted against people, so the road is getting rather narrow isn't it?

There is only one answer, and the conclusion is that we ALL have to deal with our adversary

INTERNALLY

Those who do not accept the fact that there is an invisible world with invisible players have not yet stepped into the arena.

Those who exempt themselves are merely and still pawns of those players and have actually been sidelined by lying hypocrisy. God will SAVE THEM regardless, but they are not of much use in the state of lying hypocrisy, other than to judge what they carry in their own flesh in the service of God, which we all do.

 

[Dan Perez]

I'm glad you find 1 John 5:18 difficult.

A "believer" is faced with 2 basic choices when reading that whosoever is born of God SINS NOT.

We can turn into lying hypocrites and claim we are not sinners, in the face of the obvious, that we are in fact sinners.

OR we can simply read the scripture and understand that there are 2 parties to this present drama, disclosed right there to see in the scripture, the person and the wicked one.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

People are not and can NOT see themselves as scripture sees us unless they are "born again," with their eyes and ears opened to the scriptural fact that people are presented in scripture thusly:

[the person and the tempter or his own] = A PERSON

2 parties, ONE LUMP, just as Paul describes for example in Romans 9:18-24, 1 Tim. 2:20-21, and even with himself in 2 Cor. 12:7

NOW, knowing this Dan P. which one of those parties SIN? And which does not?

We also know from Paul in 2 Cor. 5:19 that sins are not counted against people, so the road is getting rather narrow isn't it?

There is only one answer, and the conclusion is that we ALL have to deal with our adversary

INTERNALLY

Those who do not accept the fact that there is an invisible world with invisible players have not yet stepped into the arena.

Those who exempt themselves are merely and still pawns of those players and have actually been sidelined by lying hypocrisy. God will SAVE THEM regardless, but they are not of much use in the state of lying hypocrisy, other than to judge what they carry in their own flesh in the service of God, which we all do.

And I have written what 1. JOHN. 5:18. many times , BUT. you have never RELYED. and I also many verse s and here

is another one for YOU !! It is ROMANS 6:14. !!

# 1 FOR // GAR , is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 SIN // HAMARTIA. , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 3 SHALL. // KYRIOUO , in. the FUTURE TENSE , in the ACTIVE VOICE. , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD. , and means the Greek

word , means you better believe it is pointing to the word NOT. //. OU

# 4. NOT. // OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE. , you will never HAVE DIOMINION OVER YOU NEVERRRRR

# 5 HAVE DIMINION OVER // KYRIELEUO. , inc the FUTURE V. TENSE , in the INDICATIVE MOOD. , means NEVERRRR

HAVE DIMINION OVER YOU

# 6 YOU. // HYMON , is a PERSONAL POSSESSETIVE PRONOUN. , in the GENITIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 7. FOR // GAR is a CONJUNCATION

# 8. YE ARE // ESTE , in. the PRESENT TENSE , in. the PLURAL

# 9 NOT OU. , is another DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , means NEVERRRR

# 10 UNDER //. HYP0 is a PREPOSTION

# 11. THE LAW // NOMOS. is. a ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 12 BUT // ALLA , is a CONJUNCATION

# 13 UNDER // HYPO. is a PREPOSTION

#. 14 GRACE // CHARIS , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR.

# A So that means sin has no DOMINION over a GRACE BELIEVER , PERIOD

# B BUT those under the law are NOT SAVED as the Law that Israel has been SET ASIDE in Acts 28:25-28. and Paul will

PREACH. to. the GENTILES as they will hear and I. am surprised. that YOU have never heard that Paul is the PREACHER

to GENTILES and that we are to IMITATE Paul as Paul IMITATES Christ in 1 Cor 11:1. and THE BOOK of. John was

WRITTEN TO ISRAEL.
And let me know and will AGAIN write what 1 John 5:18 MEANS AGAIN. , PLEASE ASK ME !!
dan p

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

So that means sin has no DOMINION over a GRACE BELIEVER , PERIOD

Oh but you see my friend IF we fall headlong into the trap of lying hypocrisy, claiming we have, present tense, no sin, THEN sin has dominion

The hard line fact remains that we ALL engage the tempter (or his own) internally

We can't claim dominion over something we claim not to have. Such have dominion over nothing

# B BUT those under the law are NOT SAVED as the Law that Israel has been SET ASIDE in Acts 28:25-28.

You might learn too see both parties in the equation. And not be so quick to write off people.

 

[Dan Perez]

Jesus said someone giving another a cup of water will not lose their reward.

Mark 9:41
For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Giving a cup of water salvation it is then...pretty low bar ain't it?

1 John 4:7 makes it even simpler. Anyone who loves knows God and is born of God. To me that can technically apply to everyone, don't you think?

Why is it we think it's mandatory to threaten ourselves or other people with possible eternal torture anyway? It's kind of sick, really, if you think about it.

I have no issues with hell, and devils heading there. But I really can't see it for people. There's not a single named example of this supposed fact in the entire Bible. You might think with all the possible candidates at least ONE NAMED PERSON could have been singled out as an example? But alas, there is not a one to confirm this so called fact.

So why take on that darkness to anyone?

People who supposedly serve under threat of possible hell to themselves are brown nosing to save their own sorry hides. Like God is a criminal holding a gun to them. Who wouldn't cough up to save their life in that kind of setup?

Jesus had zero respect for that setup:

Marr. 25:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

Servants under duress might not walk away from the table with anything

Haven't you ever belonged to a sect where the congregants were just waiting for anyone to say or do anything they considered "out of line" so they could pounce on someone else with the proclamation of possible hell? It's really sickening, such sects. The churches are unfortunately filled with such megalomaniacs. There's just some compelling in their hearts that makes them want to be the arbiter of some other person's eternal fate.

The only long term survivor in this entire format is God in any case:

1 Cor. 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Who in their right mind would hold on to themselves, when they could simply give up everything to have Perfection Dwell in them? Seems like a pretty fair deal, don't you think?

 

[fli]

And this is what ACTS 15:1 SAYS !!

# 1 AND //. KAI ,is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 CERTAIN MEN //. TIS , INDEFINITE. PRONOUN , in a NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 3 WHICH CAME DOWN //. KATERCHOMIAI. , in. the. AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , a PARTICIPLE. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE.

in. the PLURAL

# 4 FROM // APO. , is a PREPOSITION

# 5. JUDAEA //. IOUDAIA , in the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 6 TAUGHT //. DIDASKO. , is in the IMPERFECT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

# 7 THE //. HO , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 8 BRETHREN // ADELPHOS. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 9 AND SAID //. was added , EXCEPT // ME , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

# 10. YE BE CIRCUMCISED // PENTEMNO. , in. the PESENT TENSE , in the PASSIVE VOICE. in. the SUBJUNCTIVE. , in. the PLURAL

# 11 AFTER THE // THE , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. , is in DATIVE. CASE. , in. the SINGULAR , is a NEUTER

# 12. MANNER. // ETHOS. in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR and. in. the NEUTER

# 13. OF MOSES // MOYSOS. in. the GENITIVE CASE. , in. the SINGULAR

# 14. NOT //. OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

# 15. YE CANNOT //. DYNAMA , in. the PRESENT TENSE in. the MIDDLE or PRESENT VOICE. in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

#. 16. BE SAVED // SOZO in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE.

And this verse PLAINLY says men , to be saved , you have to be CIRCUMCISED

# 17. And just what are woman going to. DO. ??

This post asks “So how do you know you are saved??”

John 3:15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. NKJV


I know that I am saved because I believe God sent His Son to save me if I believe in Him. To dispute that circumcision is needed to be saved. I am not circumcised as my parents could not afford to pay the price the hospital required to circumcise baby boys in 1942.

# 18 Are we saved by Rom 10:9 and 10 , if you confess with your mouth the LORD JESUS. and should believe your heart. that GOD.

raised Him from the dead you WILL BE SAVED

we are saved by Jesus when we make that confession.

# 19 Are you saved by Water Baptism

No, we are baptized as an act of obedience.

# 20. Saved by BEING BORN AGAIN ?

No, but we must be born from above to see the kingdom of God.

# 21 Saved by WATER and the SPIRIT ??

What say you. ??

dan p

1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one. NKJV


The Holy Spirit testifies that we are in sin because we do not believe in Jesus and that He was righteous because the Father raised Him from the dead. The water testifies that Jesus was born by water, human birth thru a virgin, the blood testifies that He died on the cross for our sins. Thru their witness we believe in Jesus' and are saved by Him.

Jesus said someone giving another a cup of water will not lose their reward.

Mark 9:41
For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Giving a cup of water salvation it is then...pretty low bar ain't it?

Matthew 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. …...............................................................................
37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40 And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.' NKJV


The above judgment is when those who give a drink of water to the brethren of Jesus get rewarded. The Matthew 25 judgment is the same as the judgment in Revelation 20:11-15. In revelation 20:15 those in the book of life (not the Lamb's book of life) enter into eternal life on the new earth, as flesh and blood and not spiritual beings, and cannot enter heaven. They are not begotten of God.

1 John 4:7 makes it even simpler. Anyone who loves knows God and is born of God. To me that can technically apply to everyone, don't you think?

No. God did create everyone, but not everyone becomes begotten of God.

You say we are all born of God, you are wrong. Our progression to being begotten of God follows Jesus' progression. In Matthew 1:20 Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and was called the Son of God.


John 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here. NKJV


After Jesus obeyed the Father to His death.

Acts 13:33 God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm: 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.' NKJV

He was called begotten by God after He was crucified.



John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." NKJV


We are born from above when we believe in Jesus.


John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. NKJV

We are given the right to become a child of God.

Romans 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. NKJV

Once we prove we hear and follow the voice of Jesus.

John 10:4And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. NKJV

We prove that we are one of His sheep and will follow His voice to our death.

1 John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him (John 14:21 and verse 2b below only those who keep His commandments, love Jesus) who begot (Jesus begot) also loves him who is begotten of Him (His sheep are begotten of Him). 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, (b) when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. (His commandments are given in 1John 3: 22-24) 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world — our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? NKJV


God knows His sheep will follow the voice of Jesus to their physical death by staying in the Spirit. They will put to death the sins of the flesh and are begotten of God because they died a physical death of their flesh in Jesus.

 

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This post asks “So how do you know you are saved??”

You start with the false assumption that no one is saved without doing something, which clearly isn't true

No one's actions grants them eternal life as if they somehow earned it or deserve it

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The above judgment is when those who give a drink of water to the brethren of Jesus get rewarded. The Matthew 25 judgment is the same as the judgment in Revelation 20:11-15. In revelation 20:15 those in the book of life (not the Lamb's book of life) enter into eternal life on the new earth, as flesh and blood and not spiritual beings, and cannot enter heaven. They are not begotten of God.

Technically only one person was saved. Jesus.

Everyone else who is saved is in Him. So who else is in the picture other than Jesus?

No. God did create everyone, but not everyone becomes begotten of God.

Jesus said we ALL have one Father. Matt. 23:9

So why are you promoting burning God's children alive forever? Seems like a demonic promotion to me

You say we are all born of God, you are wrong.

I gave several specific citings that says all people are saved. It's there to be had if anyone could see it and actually believe it

But when you start wuth a bad assumption you'll have to work backwards to unwind the track you went down

Jesus actually is The Savior of the world

go figure from that point

Our progression to being begotten of God follows Jesus' progression. In Matthew 1:20 Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and was called the Son of God.

You just got lost in a works based system

Jesus didn't work to save Himself nor did He have to

John 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here. NKJV


After Jesus obeyed the Father to His death.

With what? A big OR ELSE dangled over His head? I don't buy that story

Acts 13:33 God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm: 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.' NKJV

He was called begotten by God after He was crucified.

You're actually quite off the trinitarian path

Jesus and God are indivisible

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." NKJV


We are born from above when we believe in Jesus.

We got here because we have One Father who put us here

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. NKJV

We are given the right to become a child of God.

Some see better in this present life. But none see Perfectly. All will see Perfectly at the completion

Romans 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. NKJV

Once we prove we hear and follow the voice of Jesus.

John 10:4And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. NKJV

We prove that we are one of His sheep and will follow His voice to our death.

We see because God allows us in early for a partial look. Nothing more. Doesn't make us any better than anyone else, Romans 3:9

God knows His sheep will follow the voice of Jesus to their physical death by staying in the Spirit. They will put to death the sins of the flesh and are begotten of God because they died a physical death of their flesh in Jesus.

I'm not aware that there is anyone who managed to make themselves sinless by any measures.

God saves sinners

 

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You start with the false assumption that no one is saved without doing something, which clearly isn't true

No one's actions grants them eternal life as if they somehow earned it or deserve it

Matthew 25:34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40 And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.' NKJV

That is Jesus speaking and those granted eternal life from the white throne judgment earned it by being kind to Jesus' brethren.

Technically only one person was saved. Jesus.

Everyone else who is saved is in Him. So who else is in the picture other than Jesus?

The begotten of God are not Judged at the white throne. Those who die in Jesus were judged for sins when Jesus died. When they die physically in Jesus they are judged for rewards.

Jesus said we ALL have one Father. Matt. 23:9

So why are you promoting burning God's children alive forever? Seems like a demonic promotion to me

Matthew 25: 41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: NKJV

Neither Jesus or I are promoting burning the unsaved. Jesus is stating a fact. I believe Jesus whereas, you only choose what tickles your ears to believe.

I gave several specific citings that says all people are saved. It's there to be had if anyone could see it and actually believe it

But when you start wuth a bad assumption you'll have to work backwards to unwind the track you went down

Jesus actually is The Savior of the world

Matthew 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.' NKJV

That is the judgment where Jesus' saves all those deserving of Salvation.

Genesis 12:1 Now the Lord had said to Abram: "Get out of your country, From your family And from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. 2 I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." NKJV

That is the promise God made to save the world. All those who believed in Jesus would receive eternal life in heaven. Those who blessed Adram's descendants would be blessed by Him. They get eternal life on the earth in flesh bodies and cannot enter heaven.

go figure from that point

You just got lost in a works based system

Jesus didn't work to save Himself nor did He have to

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone. NKJV

He had to work to save His body.