So, can we be free from hate?

[Apollo Celestio]

Are we hateful no matter what, because we don't accept homosexual sex? I'm talking about people here in this forum and their attitudes. Is being loving and being intolerant of sin impossible as what we would call engaging in unrepentant sin yet claiming to follow the Lord? I hope this is a pointless question.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Perhaps answering you would be better done if you could be more specific.

Are you familiar with the phrase "Me no Alamo!" ? It is from the time of the Texas Republic, 1836-1845. Due to anger at the deaths of the folk heroes Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie at the Battle of the Alamo, a lot of young toughs came to Texas after the Revolution to exact revenge on the Mexicans. (Note: by the time these new arrivals got to Texas the Mexican Army had long since left.) There were however, many "Texicans" of Spanish and Mexican ancestry including the patriots Juan Seguin, Lorenzo de Zavala, and Francisco Navarro. These Texan citizens were subject to being beaten up and worse by the new arrivals. When told they were being attacked "because of what you did to Crockett and Bowie" the victim were said to say "me no Alamo (I was not a part of that)".

LGBTs are often victims of vicious hate crimes and religious right types try to say "Me no Alamo" when accused of blame but it doesn't wash. When words from pulpits and by political pundits lead to hatred, the speakers and writers of those things bear the odium.

 

[bubblefish]

Texas Lynn makes a great point

Personally, I don't see everyone who doesn't agree with homosexuality to be hateful, just that they have a different opinion that should be respected as much as mine or any other persons.

However, the number of religious individuals who take it further than an opinion and begin to actively discriminate, even to the point of violence, has given religious people in general a bad name.

 

[BreadAlone]

Violence is never the answer, and neither is pounding the unbeliever with the law. They have the law on their hearts, what they need is the gospel. That will change their wicked hearts from sin.

 

[IamRedeemed]

I agree however there's just one problem here. The majority of the people in this forum who are actively proselytizing the doctrine of the 'blessing of homosexuality to be celebrated' claim to have the gospel already and claim their soul is in the best of shape and are in need of nothing except for God and the Church to give it up and embrace their sin, wave our magic wands and poof, theirs is the only sin that is no longer sin! YAY!!! And then we all woke up and faced reality as that is not going to happen.

Violence is never the answer, and neither is pounding the unbeliever with the law. They have the law on their hearts, what they need is the gospel. That will change their wicked hearts from sin.

 

[IamRedeemed]

It's pronounced "MERSA" and it stands for
Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus

From the Mayo clinic:
Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) infection is caused by Staphylococcus aureus bacteria — often called "staph." Decades ago, a strain of staph emerged in hospitals that was resistant to the broad-spectrum antibiotics commonly used to treat it. Dubbed methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), it was one of the first germs to outwit all but the most powerful drugs. MRSA infection can be fatal.

It eats big gaping holes in your flesh and is as is said above extremely resistant to antibiotics. My husband got it last year and had 3 re-occurances within the year and was in and out of the hospital for IV anti-biotic treatment. He has terrible scars on his legs (his thigh on one leg and calf on the other) as it does eat holes in your flesh from the inside out and is deforming besides of course can be deadly. Pretty nasty thing!

What's MRSA? ?

 

[CriticalMassKitten]

Are we hateful no matter what, because we don't accept homosexual sex? I'm talking about people here in this forum and their attitudes. Is being loving and being intolerant of sin impossible as what we would call engaging in unrepentant sin yet claiming to follow the Lord? I hope this is a pointless question.

I have no problem thinking it's a sin, It'd be kinda hypocritical for me to think others should respect what I say then say they hate people for believing what they do. I do, however, think it crosses over a bit when people start opposing everything under the sun that has to do with homosexuals. Basically, you don't have to like gay sex, but you certainly don't have to hate anything to do with gays. It's hard to claim to hate the sin, love the sinner when you basically hate anything the sinner does, whether it be a sin or not.

 

[OllieFranz]

It's pronounced "MERSA" and it stands for
Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus

From the Mayo clinic:
Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) infection is caused by Staphylococcus aureus bacteria — often called "staph." Decades ago, a strain of staph emerged in hospitals that was resistant to the broad-spectrum antibiotics commonly used to treat it. Dubbed methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), it was one of the first germs to outwit all but the most powerful drugs. MRSA infection can be fatal.

It eats big gaping holes in your flesh and is as is said above extremely resistant to antibiotics. My husband got it last year and had 3 re-occurances within the year and was in and out of the hospital for IV anti-biotic treatment. He has terrible scars on his legs (his thigh on one leg and calf on the other) as it does eat holes in your flesh from the inside out and is deforming besides of course can be deadly. Pretty nasty thing!

A while back, a "science" writer for a magazine reporting on MRSA confused it with the flesh-eating disease (which it is not). Not long after that a report was issued about concerns with HIV patients and MRSA. A "Christian" website conflated the two reports and Conservative Christians have been running with it ever since, ignoring all evidence.

MRSA is simply a strain of staph which has adapted to and become resistant to many anti-biotics. Since staph infections which go untreated can become serious and even life-threatening, this a concern because it is so much harder to treat MRSA. MRSA and AIDS can be a deadly combination because the patient's immune system is already severely compromised, and antibiotic treatment can not give it the boost it needs.

Bottom line: MRSA is not the flesh-eating disease, and the general population is not in danger from a spread of flesh-eating MRSA incubated in dying AIDS patients.

 

[David Brider]

Violence is never the answer, and neither is pounding the unbeliever with the law. They have the law on their hearts, what they need is the gospel. That will change their wicked hearts from sin.

If I were an unbeliever and I heard you describing me as having a "wicked heart", I'd think that a pretty hate-filled comment, whether it was intended as such or not.

David.

 

[KCKID]

If I were an unbeliever and I heard you describing me as having a "wicked heart", I'd think that a pretty hate-filled comment, whether it was intended as such or not.

David.

Yes, I agree, David. You know, I considered myself a Christian when I first joined this forum. It will be 20 years come August that I was baptized. Christianity per se, however, seems to be so judgmental and hate-filled these days I'm now beginning to realize that it's probably not for me.

 

[Texas Lynn]

It's pronounced "MERSA" and it stands for
Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus

From the Mayo clinic:
Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) infection is caused by Staphylococcus aureus bacteria — often called "staph." Decades ago, a strain of staph emerged in hospitals that was resistant to the broad-spectrum antibiotics commonly used to treat it. Dubbed methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA), it was one of the first germs to outwit all but the most powerful drugs. MRSA infection can be fatal.

It eats big gaping holes in your flesh and is as is said above extremely resistant to antibiotics. My husband got it last year and had 3 re-occurances within the year and was in and out of the hospital for IV anti-biotic treatment. He has terrible scars on his legs (his thigh on one leg and calf on the other) as it does eat holes in your flesh from the inside out and is deforming besides of course can be deadly. Pretty nasty thing!

Apparently someone has edited out the antecedcent to this post. The post to which it responded is missing. It appears to have no relationship to the topic.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Sorry to disappoint you, but my response was simply an answer
to Ishida whose post was directly above mine who asked "what's MRSA"?
(which his question was in response to a false accusation
made by another poster)

Edit to ADD: (as is quoted in my response to which you have responded.
Please direct your browser to the first page, and view the quote to which
I responded, in my post to verify, if you would like.)
And it is troubling that someone felt the need to falsely
accuse, I agree. My post should probably have been deleted as well, since
Ishida's was or since it was just a question, should have been left so that my answer
would make sense and not cause anyone to jump to any conclusions, although any conclusions
should have been put to rest when I testified my husband got MRSA last year.
Where's the eye roll smiley when you need it?

Apparently someone has edited out the antecedcent to this post. Still, while the post to which it responded is missing it is most troubling to see it here as it is as it appears to blame LGBTs for disease just as Germans prior to World War II blamed Jews for syphillis.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Yes, I agree, David. You know, I considered myself a Christian when I first joined this forum. It will be 20 years come August that I was baptized. Christianity per se, however, seems to be so judgmental and hate-filled these days I'm now beginning to realize that it's probably not for me.

You're not serious are you? You're spitting on the Lord because of a few posts? GAH! What does it mean to have a Lord?! "Not for me?" This speaks volumes actually. But this really sucks.. You're not going to believe so you can be "gay"?

 

[Phinehas2]

LGBTs are often victims of vicious hate crimes and religious right types try to say "Me no Alamo" when accused of blame but it doesn't wash. When words from pulpits and by political pundits lead to hatred, the speakers and writers of those things bear the odium.

LGBT's? Maybe its because they profess they are GLBT's, its the same with Christians the world over, many persecuted for their profession of faith. However, Jesus wasnt crucified because of the feeding of the poor and healing of the sick He did, but because of what He said, not least to the Pharisees. The Pharisees hated Him fro what He said, but Jesus didnt hate the Pharisees, He forgave them.
I believe our attitude as Christians must be the same as Jesus, love people even if they find the gospel we preach hateful.

 

[Texas Lynn]

You're not serious are you? You're spitting on the Lord because of a few posts? GAH! What does it mean to have a Lord?! "Not for me?" This speaks volumes actually. But this really sucks.. You're not going to believe so you can be "gay"?

If "the Lord" condemns LGBTs for being such he is no "Lord" at all but a horrible monster unworthy of anything.

Considering how loud those who hate LGBTs are within Christianity it is amazing more are not lost to the faith because of the arrogance of a minority in our faith.

Those who would consider such can find reconciling congregations where LGBTs are treated with dignity. A PARTIAL LIST IS FOUND AT www.christianlesbians.com

 

[Texas Lynn]

LGBT's? Maybe its because they profess they are GLBT's

So you blame the victims then?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Texas Lynn,

So you blame the victims then?

No on the contrary the blame lies with the wrong label. A profession about identity with sexual orientation, rather than in Christ.

At the moment we seem to have two distinct groups, Christian and 'GLBT Christian'

 

[Apollo Celestio]

If "the Lord" condemns LGBTs for being such he is no "Lord" at all but a horrible monster unworthy of anything.

Considering how loud those who hate LGBTs are within Christianity it is amazing more are not lost to the faith because of the arrogance of a minority in our faith.

Those who would consider such can find reconciling congregations where LGBTs are treated with dignity. A PARTIAL LIST IS FOUND AT www.christianlesbians.com

I do not think you and I are talking about the same thing. Your concern is groups and agendas, where as mine is in the Lord and him alone. I don't know what you think of the Lord, but he isn't a "monster" for calling sin what it is.

 

[Phinehas2]

Amen Ishida. I fully agree I dont think Texas Lynn can be talking about the same thing, what God has done through Jesus Christ to pay the price for sin is quite the opposite of monsterous, rather the ultimate sacrifical love.

 

[Texas Lynn]

Dear Texas Lynn,
No on the contrary the blame lies with the wrong label. A profession about identity with sexual orientation, rather than in Christ.

At the moment we seem to have two distinct groups, Christian and 'GLBT Christian'

These groups are not mutually exclusive nor collectively exhaustive.

One is whatever sexual orientation one is as well as whatever religion one is. Neither supercedes another particularly.