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Slave Reparations

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The only reason reparations would be worth it would be if we were to then eliminate programs and organizations like affermative action, NAACP, United Negro College Fund, Rainbow Coalition, etc.

Theoretically, if reparations even things out then we wouldn't need these organizations any more. The trouble is we all know that if reparations are paid none of this will happen.
 
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Originally posted by Smilin
Exactly Cammie;

On the topic of affirmitive action, go up against a black female for a job with any federal agency or contractor of a federal agency and see who gets the job (regardless of experience)

Anyone who would use their minority status, is a coward and a shame to their ethnic group of our American citizens.

A few other things black 'free' people have that others don't:
1. The NAACP which grants scholarships strictly to blacks.
2. The Rainbow Coalition (I'll bite my tounge on this one)

Brimshack mentioned in an earlier thread the Native Americans were afforded reperations for the acts due to them while the Black Americans have received nothing.

Where in the Bill of Rights are we guaranteed anything as a citizen of the United States anything other than Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Let me refocus and clarify my position:
NO...NO...NO...
Blacks weren't the only ones enslaved when slavery was legal. Native Americans, Chinese, and other minorities were sold on the auction block.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm sick and tired of 'politically motivated' handouts by the government for the simple fact of buying votes from a minority population.

In closing....I reiterate; ANYONE who would use their heritage for personal gain is a coward and a shame to their ethnic culture.

If that sounds of white superiority to you...I won't apologize...
for my people were here first..and we are proud to be self-sufficient.

 

 :clap: A loud AMEN to ya! :)
 
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Let' see here;

"It's encouraging to see someone standing up to what's "politically correct.""

If by standing up to 'political correctness' you mean bashing a left wing cause on a conservative forum, I must admit that I am unimpressed by the courage required to do such a thing. But I am perhaps impressed by Smilin's reluctance to use his own minority status to advance his own career. If he has the courage to deny himself a potential advantage in real life, then more power to him. As for PC bashing; what could be more PC than that?

Several here are making the mistake of assuming that individual whites would be responsible for the reparations. No, the guilty agent would be the U.S., and that would implicate all of us, including the recipients of the aid. It may be ironic, but that's what happens whenever a government entity is named in a lawsuit initiated by its own citizens.

What about the North? It was the slave trade that produced the seed money for the industries which flourished in the North. The entire country was implicated in this crime, not just the South.

Some of you seem to think that if reparations are made that will (or should) eliminate all other forms of aid to blacks. This does not follow, and it especially doesn't follow in reference to the private organizations named above. You may not like the NAACP, for instance, but the government does not have the authority to legislate it out of existence, reparations or otherwise.

Affirmative Action is aid to individual minorities; it does not help improve minority communities. In fact it can be said to harm them by facilitating brain drain when individuals are promoted into the middle class and subsequently leave the communities from which they came. It is not an effective answer to racial inequities, and that illustrates once again that the logic of individual integrity is generally misapplied when it is used to address group dynamics.

" Blacks have more opportunities in this country today than anyone else. "

Easy to say; have you actually looked into the social and political dynamics of black communities, or did you just infer that affirmative action had somehow catapulted them to a privelaged status of which the rest of us can only dream and wallow in envy?

"Where in the Bill of Rights are we guaranteed anything as a citizen of the United States anything other than Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

That wording is actually from the Declaration, but the relevant section of the B of R would be the 5th Amendment garuntee against loss of life, liberty, or property without just compensation. As the decendants of people denied just that, the reparations argument claims that blacks are entitled to the compensation owed their ancestors. This is hardly a unique claim under American law.

"In closing....I reiterate; ANYONE who would use their heritage for personal gain is a coward and a shame to their ethnic culture.
If that sounds of white superiority to you...I won't apologize...
for my people were here first..and we are proud to be self-sufficient."

Does this opposition to use of heritage for personal gain extend to marketing techniques used by many Native American communities as a means to bolster local tourist industries and thereby gain self-sufficiency? Are you saying that you would be opposed to any attempts to regain control of resources taken by the U.S. through the courts? Were all the lawsuits filed under the ICC wrong? Are the Lakota wrong to try and regain the Black Hills? Was Taos Pueblo wrong to negotiate return of Blue Lake based on their own heritage? Were the Western Shoshone wrong to seek return of lands taken from their own forefathers? Or is it only the descendants of black slaves that are somehow abusing their heritage?

Yes, btw, I understand that many were enslaved besides blacks. I dont see the relevance of this point.

Let me reiterate my position. I do not support reparations as such, simply because I know there is too much opposition to the idea. But I do support efforts to rebuild underprivelaged communities (minority or otherwise) in whatever effective form that may take. If that strikes anyone as unjust, then they should take a good long and hard look at the way resources are normally allocated, because they are regularly diverted to lily-white suburbs on a regular basis. If anytone thinks this has no deliterious effects on the rest of American (red, black, white, or green for that matter), then you yuo need to clear the stars from your eyes. The rhetoric of equality has indeed created some wonderful institutions; it has also enabled people to gloss over some real travesties. If support for reparations is one way to divert money into such communities, and if the implimentation of such programs can be managed well, then I am all for it. To the extent that many of the objections raised here illustrate a general opposition to pro-minority programs, your opposition to reparations becomes an opposition to any form of aid, including those I do advocate.

BTW: Some of the comments here do demonstrate a real misplaced jealosy of people and communities which really are in need of help. If anyone thinks bashing programs to help them somehow means standing up to political correctness and speaking on behalf of the underdog, then that is taking double-speak to a new level.
 
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Originally posted by Cammie
Smilin'--blacks are allowed "black superiority"--so I guess I say, be proud of your "whiteness"! ;-)

Thank you for your post! It's encouraging to see someone standing up to what's "politically correct." God bless you!

 

Thank you Cammie...

lol...but..i'm not white..lol...

Hint: I ALWAYS check other on the ethnic question...confuses/irritates the establishment who are looking simply to fill quotas.
 
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TODAY, there are increasing numbers of black professionals and scholars advocating reparations for slavery. New York Times staff writer Tamar Lewin, in her June 3 article "Calls for Slavery Reparations Getting Louder," says that a team of black lawyers have announced that they plan to sue the federal government and companies that have profited from slavery.

Slavery was an abomination. There's no argument, based on morality, that can justify slavery and its attendant evils. Indeed, were it possible, slave traders and slave owners should be forced to make reparations to those whom they enslaved. A similar case cannot be made for reparation payments to slave descendants.

Adjoa Aiyetoro, a legal consultant to the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America, says, "We're not raising claims that you should pay us because you did something to us 150 years ago. We are saying that we are injured today by the vestiges of slavery, which took away income and property that was rightfully ours." This vestige-of-slavery argument, as an explanation for the pathology seen in some black neighborhoods, is simply nonsense when you think about it.

Illegitimacy among blacks today is 70 percent. Only 41 percent of black males 15 years and older are married, and only 36 percent of black children live in two-parent families. These and other indicators of family instability and its accompanying socioeconomic factors such as high crime, welfare dependency and poor educational achievement is claimed to be the legacy and vestiges of slavery, for which black Americans are due reparations. Let's look at it.

In 1940, illegitimacy among blacks was 19 percent. From 1890 to 1940, blacks had a marriage rate slightly higher than whites. As of 1950, 64 percent black males 15 years and older were married, compared to today's 41 percent.

In Philadelphia, in 1880, two-parent family structure was: black (75.2 percent), Irish (82.2 percent), German (84.5 percent) and native white Americans (73.1 percent). In other large cities such as Detroit, New York and Cleveland, we find roughly the same numbers.

According to one study of black families (Herbert G. Gutman, "The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom, 1750-1925"), "Five out of six children under the age of 6 lived with both parents."

That study also found that, in Harlem between 1905 and 1925, only 3 percent of all families were headed by a woman under 30 and 85 percent of black children lived in two-parent families.

The question raised by these historical facts is: If what we see today in many black neighborhoods, as claimed by reparation advocates, are the vestiges and legacies of slavery, how come that social pathology wasn't much worse when blacks were just two or three generations out of slavery? Might it be that slavery's legacy and vestiges have a way, like diabetes, of skipping generations? In other words, for example, that devastating 70 percent rate of black illegitimacy simply skipped six generations -- it's a delayed effect of slavery.

I doubt whether the reparations gang could develop a coherent theory of the generation-skipping effects of slavery. Vestiges and legacy of slavery arguments are simply covers for another hustle similar to the $6 trillion dollar War on Poverty hustle.

Interestingly enough, reparations advocates are not demanding that white people be taxed in order to send checks out to individual black people. What they're demanding is for money to be put into a reparations fund from which they decide who receives how much for what purpose. For me, that has just as much appeal as the Rev. Leroy's call for people to send their money to him and he'll send it to God.

From the wise and extremely talented Walter Williams.  I cannot say it any better.
 
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