New_Wineskin
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The concept of a personal relationship with the Lord was not even implied while I was in the Catholic environment - at least , for those not Catholic priests .
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The concept of a personal relationship with the Lord was not even implied while I was in the Catholic environment - at least , for those not Catholic priests .I'm glad you found a way to avoid sin, but I would suggest that you can have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ within the Catholic Church.
It sounds like you struggled with a besetting sin. That happens.
As a Catholic, I believe in a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I would consider returning to the Church at some point.
What do you do when the Holy Spirit/Jesus tells you that we are not to hurt/harm anyone for any reason?I'm glad you found a way to avoid sin, but I would suggest that you can have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ within the Catholic Church.
It sounds like you struggled with a besetting sin. That happens.
As a Catholic, I believe in a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I would consider returning to the Church at some point.
Do you think so ? Do you think that it is possible or probable ?
The concept of a personal relationship with the Lord was not even implied while I was in the Catholic environment - at least , for those not Catholic priests .
Perhaps we Protestant converts brought it over with us.Seriously, I think that the personal relationship is implicit in the New Ordo Mass, certainly in the Eucharist.
What do you do when the Holy Spirit/Jesus tells you that we are not to hurt/harm anyone for any reason?
What do you do when Jesus tells you that it is dangerous to call any man here on earth your father? When Jesus tells you that it is dangerous to be called father? Now you do know that Jesus is talking about someone who is not your physical father?
What do you do after Jesus sits next to you and tells you that a Christian does not sin? Has you open the bible and explains where it tells us one no longer sins.
What do you do when Jesus teaches you that a Christian needs to give up his or her possessions? When Jesus teaches you that a Christian does not store up for ones future.
What do you do when Jesus tells you that to receive communion one does not need a priest to consecrate the host?
What do you do when the Holy Spirit tells you that no matter who tells you anything about God be it a priest, bishop, or anyone that you are to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong? Then what do you do when Jesus tells you what the Church is teaching is wrong?
That'd be another thread perhaps, but since you brought it up, keep in mind the function of a priest. He is an intermediary. So, in a sense, there's a theological, spatial difference here between RC mass and you, as NT priest, offering eucharist (thanks). As the other poster said, the "personal relationship" is different in the groups.
The priest consecrates the host, but when I partake of it, there is no intermediary--only complete participation in the Divine Nature, as Peter would say.
Elsewhere, I try to practice the presence of God, as Brother Lawrence would say.
The point of not calling another man father is to not raise a brother up above another. Calling another brother pastor if it is in anyway raising him up above, or setting him apart is not right.Whatever side you land on--by that I mean Protestant or Catholic--I think it is important to have other Christians around you to get objective verification of what you feel has been revealed to you.
BTW, What if you called the priest "Pastor?"
The Catholic Church gives creedence to private revelations that are consistent with the teachings of the Church.
Thanks for your post. But I don't know why the territory is precarious. I thought my post reflected standard Catholic theology.
No priest, no consecration, no change, no forgiveness, no partaking, shall I continue?
We are the NT called-out ones, brother steve_baker.
Your post did, indeed. However, it is precarious, nevertheless, in postulating a possibility that, according to Jesus, cannot happen.
The point of not calling another man father is to not raise a brother up above another. Calling another brother pastor if it is in anyway raising him up above, or setting him apart is not right.
Objective verification from other Christians? Do you truly know how many different understanding of what Jesus taught there are? Who can give an objective verification other then Jesus?
I hung around with a number of Catholic priests, went golfing, drinking, and parting with, and there was very little agreement between them, about what Jesus taught. Now if someone officially asked them what a Catholic was supposed to believe, then most of them would give the official Catholic teachings.
One priest that I was very close to, and helped teach his adult information classes, once told me Jesus never did any miracles, nor was there truly a Holy Spirit. He said that the apostles used Holy Spirit to explain events they did not understand. Now I told him he was wrong, but he did not care if I believed him or not.
Just to let you know, I personally went to four different Catholic bishops with my witness, and not one believed me to be wrong. I was told to go do what Jesus told me to do. One bishop told me that his job was to administer the Church, and I was to do as Jesus tells me to do.
Back where I was raised , they are trying to get back to Latin - the other way around .Perhaps we Protestant converts brought it over with us.Seriously, I think that the personal relationship is implicit in the New Ordo Mass, certainly in the Eucharist.
For me , the hardest thing is the usage of the same words and not using different words for the same idea . It appears , for a while , that we would be saying the same thing and agreeing until another sentence pops in that shows completely different mindsets and nothing close to agreement .Yes, I believe it is possible. I think the stickler is in the terminology.
Back where I was raised , they are trying to get back to Latin - the other way around .
For me , the hardest thing is the usage of the same words and not using different words for the same idea . It appears , for a while , that we would be saying the same thing and agreeing until another sentence pops in that shows completely different mindsets and nothing close to agreement .
I think we are all in agreement in terms of the univeral sense. If we talked about the application of specific sins, our terminology might be different, but I think we could reach an agreement.
Yes, I believe it is possible. I think the stickler is in the terminology.
Yes, that could happen. I guess we would have to define the terms. But I'm talking about a general, overall agreement, not necessarily a line-by-line agreement.
What possibility did I postulate?
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