Sincere question for Mormons

[Asherz]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed in here, but the search function and I were not getting along.

I have a few questions about Mrmonism that have always puzzled me, so perhaps someone can help me out by answering them.

1. Who was the first God?

2. Why did he set up a system where his creation (I'm assuming he would be responsible for the first form of creation) would become gods themselves?

3. What god did our God worship? Does he still worship him? Why or why not?

4. In Mormonism, the nature of Jesus has always confused me. Perhaps it is due to my limited understanding. Juses is the second person of the Godhead, right? Not like in the traditional concept of the trinity, but actually a seperate being, united in purpose, right? But... he is also a created being, yes? By the Father? So is his nature that of a god or still a created being?

 

[buddy mack]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed in here, but the search function and I were not getting along.

I have a few questions about Mrmonism that have always puzzled me, so perhaps someone can help me out by answering them.

1. Who was the first God?

2. Why did he set up a system where his creation (I'm assuming he would be responsible for the first form of creation) would become gods themselves?

3. What god did our God worship? Does he still worship him? Why or why not?

4. In Mormonism, the nature of Jesus has always confused me. Perhaps it is due to my limited understanding. Juses is the second person of the Godhead, right? Not like in the traditional concept of the trinity, but actually a seperate being, united in purpose, right? But... he is also a created being, yes? By the Father? So is his nature that of a god or still a created being?

Not sayin it is you ASHzer, but these kind of questions are asked by someone who already knows the answers. So as an eggspert i will try and answer your questions

1, the first god name was Leroy Johnson.
2, i can understand the question.
3, our god worship Leroy Johnson
4, answer to this question keeps changing so stay tune tomorrow
5, was there a fifth question?

 

[Asherz]

Not sayin it is you ASHzer, but these kind of questions are asked by someone who already knows the answers. So as an eggspert i will try and answer your questions

No, I do not already know the answers and really want to know. Thanks.

 

[buddy mack]

No, I do not already know the answers and really want to know. Thanks.

welcome to a life time journey through the maze, just when you think you are out you find you're right back where you started.

 

[Orontes]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed in here, but the search function and I were not getting along.

I have a few questions about Mrmonism that have always puzzled me, so perhaps someone can help me out by answering them.

Hello,

Let me give you an explanation.

1. Who was the first God?

I think this question relies on a misunderstanding of God in Mormon thought. God has an equivocal usage. God is not simply a being, but a way of being: any who fully participate in that way of being are by and through that participation Divine. Individuals who participate in this relation may join or separate themselves but the overarching relation persists independent of personal actions. Thus, the Son could divest Himself from this mode of being and take on a mortal coil, but God remains. Under this rubric the Father, the Son or the Holy Ghost may participate in history, but it doesn't follow that this applies to the relation itself which is the defining state of Divine persons. In short: there is no first God: there is God.

2. Why did he set up a system where his creation (I'm assuming he would be responsible for the first form of creation) would become gods themselves?

God is considered both eternally progressive and expansive. Further, God as a moral agent seeks to share the maximal state of existence and goodness with others.

Note: Mormonism does not hold to a strict ontic divide as in the creature/Creator relation seen in Latin Christian thought.

3. What god did our God worship? Does he still worship him? Why or why not?

The personal history of the Father is not given. However, the family is taken as a reflection of the Divine activity: even when fully mature, a deference to or recognition of one's parents is understood.

4. In Mormonism, the nature of Jesus has always confused me. Perhaps it is due to my limited understanding. Juses is the second person of the Godhead, right? Not like in the traditional concept of the trinity, but actually a seperate being, united in purpose, right? But... he is also a created being, yes? By the Father? So is his nature that of a god or still a created being?

Jesus is taken as a glorified personage, distinct and sharing in a united purpose, but not limited to a simple confluence of will. Rather, the Son participates in an indwelling of love via the Spirit that is both inter-transparent of participants and eternal in scope. This relation has ontic reference.

Mormonism rejects Creatio Ex Nihilo. Common parlance may use creation but it is not understood as the generation of being from non-being but rather as an organization into a new state. Thus, the Son, indeed all moral agents, possess a persisting quality.

The nature of all moral agents is toward the maximalization of the good. This is perfection or deification. Christ is taken as the grand exemplar and essential enabler for others to follow. Whereas others deny the moral impulse and sin, Christ overcame temptation and thus is the key factor for others to find redemption.

 

[Swart]

I have a few questions about Mrmonism that have always puzzled me, so perhaps someone can help me out by answering them.

Without taking the shine off Orontes' answer, I will give my own. Remember, we are dealing with things at the periphery of doctrine where there is much more speculation and opinion than actual doctrine.

1. Who was the first God?

This question begs several areas of non-doctrinal speculation in LDS belief. [staff edit]
The concept of Eternal progression is that as "joint heirs with Christ" we become "like God". We do not become God nor do we replace God. Any extension to that is speculation. One extension is the one you are assuming - that we get to become a "God" ourselves and kick off the whole creative process again. IMO, there is little in either the scriptures or other material to completely support this.

Regardless, for our purposes, here and now, there is only One God:
[BIBLE]1 Corinthians 8:6[/BIBLE]

However, for the purposes of discussion, let's assume you are talking to someone who accepts the precepts of a continuing line of Gods, all with their own sphere's of creation. In that case, the answer to Q1 is - we don't know.

As for my own answer, the question assumes that God is governed by time and that time is not finite. I believe there is a start and an end to time as we know and understand it.

2. Why did he set up a system where his creation (I'm assuming he would be responsible for the first form of creation) would become gods themselves?

For the same reason that we (as adults) look forward to our children growing up and becoming as we are.

3. What god did our God worship? Does he still worship him? Why or why not?

We don't know. Presumably. Open to more speculation.

4. In Mormonism, the nature of Jesus has always confused me. Perhaps it is due to my limited understanding. Jesus is the second person of the Godhead, right?

Correct.

Not like in the traditional concept of the trinity, but actually a seperate being, united in purpose, right?

Substantially correct.

But... he is also a created being, yes? By the Father? So is his nature that of a god or still a created being?

Jesus was Jehovah. He was a premortal Spirit just like us that created this world under the direction of the Father. He is a member of the Godhead and thus is God, however, He is NOT the Father.

LDS do not distinguish a difference between spirits, angels and people. They are all the same, just at different points along the line of creation.

 

[Apex]

I think Swart and Orontes have done a good enough job.

This question begs several areas of non-doctrinal speculation in LDS belief. Some background is in order:
[edit]confused: I had completley forgoten I ever wrote that. Supprised me when I clicked it..[edit]

 

[Rescued One]

“...It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)

 

[Apex]

“...It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)

Oh come on GWiT, you know whats comming...

 

[Swart]

“...It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)

I don't have a problem with that quote. Consider, even if 99% of LDS (or even 100%) take that at face value, I find nothing that fully connects all the dots to say that the process is continuing. Even in the above statement, it's only the phrase an earth that indicates JS is not referring to JC. With a highly modalistic view of the Godhead, that can easily be reasoned.

I'm not trying to play games here. I'm quite serious. The references clearly state that God was once a Christ. Now either we are particularly fortunate to have our HF that was a Christ, or that role is reserved, or we are misunderstanding something.

Look at what JS was teaching: There is only one type of being in the Universe. I don't think he was trying to teach any more than that. We are in the image of God, we are joint-heirs with Christ and when exalted - we shall become like God.

We won't become God. We won't replace God and he won't stop being our God. But we will be like Him.

Anything else is speculation, but... that should be unorthodox enough for you!

 

[charityagape]

Cool, I was going to post a new thread but this one seems very similar.

Information requests from current or former LDS

I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I missed it. Is it true that mormans believe that Jesus and Lucifer are both sons of God? Two sons out of many?

If so, who are the other sons?

Any other myths any LDS would like to debunk?

 

[Rescued One]

Cool, I was going to post a new thread but this one seems very similar.

Information requests from current or former LDS

I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I missed it. Is it true that mormans believe that Jesus and Lucifer are both sons of God? Two sons out of many?

If so, who are the other sons?

Any other myths any LDS would like to debunk?

Some of the sons get disowned in Mormonism.

In the Bible, Satan was a created being and Jesus was the Creator.

 

[Apex]

Cool, I was going to post a new thread but this one seems very similar.

Information requests from current or former LDS

I'm sure this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I missed it. Is it true that mormans believe that Jesus and Lucifer are both sons of God? Two sons out of many?

If so, who are the other sons?

Any other myths any LDS would like to debunk?

Yes its true, to an extent. This is something our critics like to over simplify and twist to make it sound wrong. And the other sons, and daghters, are us.

 

[Swart]

Yes its true, to an extent. This is something our critics like to over simplify and twist to make it sound wrong. And the other sons, and daghters, are us.

I'll add to this that there was a war in Heaven and 1/3 of the host were cast out along with Lucifer. The other 2/3 included everyone who has ever lived or will live on Earth.

After the war in Heaven, the Earth was created physically by JC (as Jehovah). He then came to Earth as the saviour to redeem mankind from the fall.

 

[Swart]

In the Bible, Satan was a created being and Jesus was the Creator.

Do you have a quote for this?

 

[Apex]

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In the Bible, Satan was a created being and Jesus was the Creator.

I thought this was a mainsteam belief?

Anyway Im off to bed, after midnight now.

 

[Rescued One]

Do you have a quote for this?

God is the Creator without beginning or end.

[Bible]Colossians 1:16[/Bible]

 

[unbound]

I'll add to this that there was a war in Heaven and 1/3 of the host were cast out along with Lucifer. The other 2/3 included everyone who has ever lived or will live on Earth.

After the war in Heaven, the Earth was created physically by JC (as Jehovah). He then came to Earth as the saviour to redeem mankind from the fall.

In that case an infinite God should have an infinate number of spirits, not just the billions who lived here on earth.. Where will all the rest of those spirit babies go?

Has only part of Gods spirit babies come to earth? Will there be another plan for the rest of Gods infinite spirit babies?

In addition to being contrary to what Jesus taught,LDS teachings make my head hurt.

 

[Apex]

In that case an infinite God should have an infinate number of spirits, not just the billions who lived here on earth.. Where will all the rest of those spirit babies go?

Has only part of Gods spirit babies come to earth? Will there be another plan for the rest of Gods infinite spirit babies?

In addition to being contrary to what Jesus taught,LDS teachings make my head hurt.

So God is supposed to have an infinate number of children...? That would mean that there would always be new people to be born, and the second comming and the final judgement would never occur.

What you stated contradics orthodox christianity, not Mormonism.

 

[unbound]

So God is supposed to have an infinate number of children...? That would mean that there would always be new people to be born, and the second comming and the final judgement would never occur.

What you stated contradics orthodox christianity, not Mormonism.

Correct, but why would the Mormon God want to stop having spirit children? Why would the blessings stop? The Mormon God should have infinite spirit babies.