Sin

[justbyfaith]

Oh wait, the Bible was penned by human authors. So reading your Bible you will be getting your theology from men as well; as a secondary source (because the primary source is the Holy Spirit, as with my document).

 

[justbyfaith]

I will later but this shows that your theology comes from men. You claim you believe the Bible but you quote men who showed you which verses to isolate so you think you can force God into some position that comforts you.

And you apparently think you know me better than people who actually know my name.

 

[justbyfaith]

I think it's time to go to bed.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

That is not what I said. Everything I've said to you on this subject has been to convince you that Jesus is Omnipotent.

Can Jesus do great moral evil? If he cannot is he then not omnipotent?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

And you apparently think you know me better than people who actually know my name.

I suspect they do not read what you write which is your thinking pure without any paint to cover it up. It is always amazing to me that people write and write what they think and then complain that others know what they think.

You claim you know what the writers of the Bible thought and meant although you ignore parts of it. I read what you write and know what you think and you complain.

You ignore the parts of the Bible you do not like such as "many will fall away" or "you receive not because you ask with wrong motives." I mean how will you learn why God does not answer your prayer if you close yourself off to the answers given in the Bible?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Here is something for you to read, @Dorothy Mae.

(go to the following link and read the original and second post):

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/wet-paint-principle-freedom.8079306/

I guess it is called the wet paint theology meaning you paint over your real self with nice colored covering and tell yourself that this means all your evil desires and deeds are covered up and no one sees them before and after you do them.

Again, you very much go by what men tell you and here is proof. You have believed this and swallowed it up and think the paint covers up the real you underneath.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Oh wait, the Bible was penned by human authors. So reading your Bible you will be getting your theology from men as well; as a secondary source (because the primary source is the Holy Spirit, as with my document).

No, your primary source is the guy who wrote the paint piece. That is your primary source. And that you think the Bible was really only penned by men and their thoughts as a secondary source tells me you are not aware of how inspiration works but think of it as primary and secondary sources. That is not how it works. If you really had a word of wisdom you would k now this.

 

[justbyfaith]

I suspect they do not read what you write which is your thinking pure. It is always amazing to me that people write and write what they think and then complain that others know what they think.

I was simply doing what it says in Proverbs 26:5; because love dictates that I do so in spite of the consequences of Proverbs 26:4.

In other words, I was copying your behaviour; and, just as expected, you judged me for exhibiting behaviour that was very much like your own.

You claim you know what the writers of the Bible thought and meant although you ignore parts of it. I read what you write and know what you think and you complain.

I was having a bad day yesterday, sorry; and therefore I exhibited similar behaviour as yourself even though it is not normally characteristic of me.

You ignore the parts of the Bible you do not like such as "many will fall away" or "you receive not because you ask with wrong motives." I mean how will you learn why God does not answer your prayer if you close yourself off to the answers given in the Bible?

God does answer my prayers, all of the time (because I took James 4:1-3 to heart a long time ago) . As for the second scripture you think I ignored, it is in the same context as a scripture that I referenced to you. Did you ignore that scripture? When I quote or reference scriptures I nearly always have their context in mind. I don't want to be accused of taking scriptures out of context for the most part (though when I am accused I have an answer); so when I quote scriptures I usually make sure there is nothing in their context that contradicts the point I am trying to make. Not to mention that over many years of Bible Study, I know what the scriptures mean in their context (both immediate and topical), and therefore it is not going to be very likely that I would quote scriptures apart from their actual, contextual, meaning.

As for the first scripture, I think you have not been paying attention. I said that those scriptures which warn against falling away are always heeded by those who are recipients of the promises on eternal security; and that creates a new construct that takes contrasting scriptures into account and gives understanding that contradicts neither side of the equation.

 

[justbyfaith]

I guess it is called the wet paint theology meaning you paint over your real self with nice colored covering and tell yourself that this means all your evil desires and deeds are covered up and no one sees them before and after you do them.

Again, you very much go by what men tell you and here is proof. You have believed this and swallowed it up and think the paint covers up the real you underneath.

Wrong. (shows you didn't read the whole of the document). The Wet Paint Principle is the concept that the inclination of sinful man is that when he sees a bench with a Wet Paint sign on it, he will touch that bench to see if it is really wet. Also known as the "forbidden fruit" principle.

If you have any interest in gaining wisdom on the subject of the document, start with Romans 7:7-13 and read the document afterwards.

 

[justbyfaith]

No, your primary source is the guy who wrote the paint piece. That is your primary source. And that you think the Bible was really only penned by men and their thoughts as a secondary source tells me you are not aware of how inspiration works but think of it as primary and secondary sources. That is not how it works. If you really had a word of wisdom you would k now this.

The holy scripture was inspired of the Holy Spirit but penned by human authors; using their personalities and thought processes as the Holy Spirit moved them along.

And I'm the one who wrote the paint piece. Did you read the whole thing or did you just read the first few sentences and turn away?

 

[justbyfaith]

I guess it is called the wet paint theology meaning you paint over your real self with nice colored covering and tell yourself that this means all your evil desires and deeds are covered up and no one sees them before and after you do them.

Again, you very much go by what men tell you and here is proof. You have believed this and swallowed it up and think the paint covers up the real you underneath.

Of course, there is not a lack of truth in that statement (see Romans 4:7); although that truth is not the primary subject of the document.

 

[justbyfaith]

@Dorothy Mae, may I ask you a semi-personal question?

Do you currently attend a Spirit-filled, Bible-believing church?

 

[justbyfaith]

Can Jesus do great moral evil? If he cannot is he then not omnipotent?

The fact that Jesus cannot do great moral evil does not mean that He is not Omnipotent and that He cannot do anything He wants; it is that His nature and character is that He does not want to and will not do great moral evil because He is completely good in His nature and character.

He is bound to righteousness because of who He is as a Person, not because He isn't truly free; and neither because He isn't also all-powerful.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I was simply doing what it says in Proverbs 26:5; because love dictates that I do so in spite of the consequences of Proverbs 26:4.

In other words, I was copying your behaviour; and, just as expected, you judged me for exhibiting behaviour that was very much like your own.



I was having a bad day yesterday, sorry; and therefore I exhibited similar behaviour as yourself even though it is not normally characteristic of me.


God does answer my prayers, all of the time (because I took James 4:1-3 to heart a long time ago) . As for the second scripture you think I ignored, it is in the same context as a scripture that I referenced to you. Did you ignore that scripture? When I quote or reference scriptures I nearly always have their context in mind. I don't want to be accused of taking scriptures out of context for the most part (though when I am accused I have an answer); so when I quote scriptures I usually make sure there is nothing in their context that contradicts the point I am trying to make. Not to mention that over many years of Bible Study, I know what the scriptures mean in their context (both immediate and topical), and therefore it is not going to be very likely that I would quote scriptures apart from their actual, contextual, meaning.

As for the first scripture, I think you have not been paying attention. I said that those scriptures which warn against falling away are always heeded by those who are recipients of the promises on eternal security; and that creates a new construct that takes contrasting scriptures into account and gives understanding that contradicts neither side of the equation.

There is no answer to be given that will reach you. I cannot make a dent. Your armor is too strong.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The fact that Jesus cannot do great moral evil does not mean that He is not Omnipotent and that He cannot do anything He wants; it is that His nature and character is that He does not want to and will not do great moral evil because He is completely good in His nature and character.

He is bound to righteousness because of who He is as a Person, not because He isn't truly free; and neither because He isn't also all-powerful.

Then if he CANNOT do the usual miracles BECAUSE of their hearts, it equally doesn’t make HIM lacking in power. God cannot do many things because of his character and answering the prayers of people with wrong motives is another one.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

@Dorothy Mae, may I ask you a semi-personal question?

Do you currently attend a Spirit-filled, Bible-believing church?

You can. I do.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Of course, there is not a lack of truth in that statement (see Romans 4:7); although that truth is not the primary subject of the document.

I’m really sorry for those who embrace the piece. Instead of seeking the living God to tell you the state of your heart and deeds you claim your deeds and heart are something holy and righteous because you want to be able to say that. So you find verses and decide yourself they describe you personally. How shocking it will be when such stand before God and their real deeds are measured. They will not be able to say, “ I believed the wet paint principle” for God will say, “I don’t.”

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The holy scripture was inspired of the Holy Spirit but penned by human authors; using their personalities and thought processes as the Holy Spirit moved them along.

This is what you heard from others. This is a very superficial and somewhat incorrect guess.

And I'm the one who wrote the paint piece. Did you read the whole thing or did you just read the first few sentences and turn away?

The Holy Spirit within me was grieved to read the first bit, so full of supporting the self and pride fully in tact, ill need a day when I have more strength.

It’s also so long no one can write an answer. This too is a part of the self focused theology. The author takes up all the space to write there is. No one else can say much as it’s not allowed.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Wrong. (shows you didn't read the whole of the document). The Wet Paint Principle is the concept that the inclination of sinful man is that when he sees a bench with a Wet Paint sign on it, he will touch that bench to see if it is really wet. Also known as the "forbidden fruit" principle.

If you have any interest in gaining wisdom on the subject of the document, start with Romans 7:7-13 and read the document afterwards.

Condense it. Think of your readers. And frankly speaking, they write wet paint on places all over our building and i’ve never seen anyone going by touch it.

The only ones who touch such a bench want to sit on it. Ever thought that sometimes painters leave the sign on longer than necessary??

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Jesus doesn't have to declare something that is a first truth of common sense. He came to tell us what we couldn't figure out for ourselves.

I repeat, you are very loose with words. So everything you want to make up in terms of doctrine you just say that Jesus doesn’t have to have taught it. Anything can comes out if your head Jesus didn’t need to teach as it was “common sense?” Btw, That future not yet committed sins/wrongs/crimes are forgiven years before is no common. It’s not sense and so has nothing in common with common sense. Any community who did this would find serious crime accelerating.

No, I said you were opposing yourself.

I don’t. But i’ve explained my view and you don’t understand it.

Because the hope and assurance of salvation acts as a helmet that protects you when in the middle of a spiritual battle if you have it (see 1 Thessalonians 5:8 and Ephesians 6:10-18).

The day will come when you’re tempted to sin and the eternal security doctrine will tell you it doesn’t matter and you’ll do it. It permits sin.

You are going into battle without a helmet to protect your mind.

The helmet of salvation is salvation, not the promise of Heaven no matter what you do to others. You ever been in a spiritual battle against sin? The theology that teaches “ it doesn’t matter” weakens you.

I am attempting to provide for you a helmet; but something in you doesn't want to believe that salvation can even be secure in Christ.

I told you over and over that the living God talks to me. He’s so much superior to your theology it isn’t funny.

I live in California and if I hadn't lived in South Carolina for seven years I wouldn't even know who Todd Bentley was. But I recall that in that situation, the people who laid hands on Todd did so because they were aware of certain problems and knew that if he were a lone ranger under no authority he could do a lot of damage to the body. So by laying hands on him, they brought him under their authority and thus were able to remove him from ministry as soon as his sin became evident to the general public.

Nonsense. Did you ever hear their prayers for him? They prayed for MORE of what he had and I guess someone from down answered cause he divorced his wife, left his children and married his lover. Is that what you call “under authority?” Joyner quickly reinstated the unrepentant adulterer. If they had an ounce of discernment, they have done like Peter and Paul and publicly expose and rebuke him. Instead they praised him.

You are very loose with the truth and words.