Sin is Sin All Sins Are Equal.

[Texas Lynn]

I'm not interested in condemnation, but we all must first examine ourselves before we talk about such things so we can "see". That goes for everyone, of course.

Go on.

 

[lace]

Your right-Look in your own back yard before poking your noise in somone elses....
Because at the end of the day we are all responsible for our own sins,why really worry and argue about homosexuality or any thing else,we have to get it right ourselves.
I find it amusing when others argue amongst each other about who`s right or wrong,
And then turn on Gods word saying its not truth.....Well we do really no who the foolish ones are?
But any way I am not here to start a argument,just voicing my opinion...
God Bless

 

[IamRedeemed]

What's so amusing about a voice of one crying in the wilderness,
"Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight."????
(Mark 1:3, Luke 3:4)

Those that think with an eternal mind, find no
amusement in the perishing of souls.

Wide is the path of destruction that leads unto death and there are many who go that way.
Narrow is the way that leads unto life and there are few that find it. (Matthew 7:13-14)

The time of God's grace is running out and the judgment of the world is imminent.
Those who know this and do not open their mouths as false teachers preach great swelling
words that lead to destruction in their midst will find the blood of them on their
hands when they stand before God. (Ezekiel 33:6)

This is not a homosexual site, this is a Christian site. So, Christians contending for the faith
are not out of place here. This is the home of Christians. We welcome all into our home.
But that does not mean we welcome the philosophies of men that look to be exalted above the Word of God. Philosophies that oppose the God of Christianity are what is out of place.
Homosexuality is not Christian, it opposes God in every way.

I'd say that souls being deceived into following the path that leads to the second
death are pretty good reasons to stand and oppose those whose political agendas
seek to be exalted above the knowledge of God.

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 2 Corinthians 10:3-5

Your right-Look in your own back yard before poking your noise in somone elses....
Because at the end of the day we are all responsible for our own sins,why really worry and argue about homosexuality or any thing else,we have to get it right ourselves.
I find it amusing when others argue amongst each other about who`s right or wrong,
And then turn on Gods word saying its not truth.....Well we do really no who the foolish ones are?
But any way I am not here to start a argument,just voicing my opinion...
God Bless

 

[Nadiine]

Your right-Look in your own back yard before poking your noise in somone elses....
Because at the end of the day we are all responsible for our own sins,why really worry and argue about homosexuality or any thing else,we have to get it right ourselves.
I find it amusing when others argue amongst each other about who`s right or wrong,
And then turn on Gods word saying its not truth.....Well we do really no who the foolish ones are?
But any way I am not here to start a argument,just voicing my opinion...
God Bless

The foolish are the people who read the Bible and decide it says something else that it clearly doesn't, or ignore it or try to make it fit their worldly theologies.
It's also a Christian's job to exhort & rebuke and correct where it's warrented as well.

The issue becomes how we do that, but it isn't wrong, it's commanded.

 

[lace]

A christain is?
When someone believes that Jesus is the son of God.
When someone believes that Jesus died on the cross for their sin.
When someone gives thier heart to Jesus Christ,asking for forgiveness.
This didnt come with a manual-(That will mean -we are all doomed.)
Nobody knows your heart-who are they to say if your a christain all not.....
You could be a homosexual-drugdealer-drunk-porn addict-homeless-rich-etc........
No one knows what Jesus`s plans are,or whos given thier hearts to him..........
Who are we to say-Whos a christain and who`s not....
Well may God bless youse all

 

[Texas Lynn]

This is not a homosexual site, this is a Christian site. So, Christians contending for the faith
are not out of place here. This is the home of Christians. We welcome all into our home. But that does not mean we welcome the philosophies of men that look to be exalted above the Word of God. Philosophies that oppose the God of Christianity are what is out of place.

Sounds like your problem is with TPTB at CF because they won't enforce political correctness.

Homosexuality is not Christian, it opposes God in every way.

There's no evidence of this whatsoever.

 

[KCKID]

The foolish are the people who read the Bible and decide it says something else that it clearly doesn't, or ignore it or try to make it fit their worldly theologies.
It's also a Christian's job to exhort & rebuke and correct where it's warrented as well.

The issue becomes how we do that, but it isn't wrong, it's commanded.

There is NO command against homosexuality. There is no command FOR heterosexuality. Most Christians only THINK that there is. The Bible makes no reference at all to the issue of homosexuality that we are discussing on this forum. It does not refer to sexual orientation at all. The Bible refers to 'sodomy' and not 'homosexuality'. It also refers to 'unnatural' which is not applicable to anyone who is 'naturally' oriented toward homosexuality. Why is this so difficult for some to grasp?

If I had a dollar for each time that I've stated this I'd be a wealthy man.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

There is NO command against homosexuality. There is no command FOR heterosexuality. Most Christians only THINK that there is. The Bible makes no reference at all to the issue of homosexuality that we are discussing on this forum. It does not refer to sexual orientation at all. The Bible refers to 'sodomy' and not 'homosexuality'. It also refers to 'unnatural' which is not applicable to anyone who is 'naturally' oriented toward homosexuality. Why is this so difficult for some to grasp?

If I had a dollar for each time that I've stated this I'd be a wealthy man.

That is what they're addressing. "sodomy" or same sex sex.. If I had a dollar for every time that doesn't need to be said.

 

[KCKID]

That is what they're addressing. "sodomy" or same sex sex.. If I had a dollar for every time that doesn't need to be said.

Oh no it isn't ...don't give me that. Many people believe that the 'sexual orientation' itself is the sin. Also, several people have already acknowledged that 'other' forms of sexual gratification between two consenting homosexuals is also (other than sodomy) taboo. Apparently not all homosexuals find pleasure in sodomy ...not that it's any of my business if they do. Furthermore, homosexuals that DO practice sodomy are in the company of many heterosexuals that practice the same thing.

No, most on this forum focus on the label 'homosexuality' and they have beaten it up to the point where they have created a monster out of it. This is why I asked the question on a recent thread, What, Exactly, IS Homosexuality ...? Many folks who are debating issues regarding this topic don't really have a clue what they are talking about. Likewise, many persistently use the Bible to support their ignorance of what the scriptures say/don't say on the matter of 'homosexuality'.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

Oh no it isn't ...don't give me that. Many people believe that the 'sexual orientation' itself is the sin. Also, several people have already acknowledged that 'other' forms of sexual gratification between two consenting homosexuals is also (other than sodomy) taboo. Apparently not all homosexuals find pleasure in sodomy ...not that it's any of my business if they do. Furthermore, homosexuals that DO practice sodomy are in the company of many heterosexuals that practice the same thing.

No, most on this forum focus on the label 'homosexuality' and they have beaten it up to the point where they have created a monster out of it. This is why I asked the question on a recent thread, What, Exactly, IS Homosexuality ...? Many folks who are debating issues regarding this topic don't really have a clue what they are talking about. Likewise, many persistently use the Bible to support their ignorance of what the scriptures say/don't say on the matter of 'homosexuality'.

Many people? Who here? By the way, did you know there are people who believe that we were planted here by aliens? 'Other forms?' Oh, you think anal sex is just forbidden but the other stuff isn't? Well, I doubt that. Otherwise the passages would be rather vague. "Men abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another and then committed indecent acts with one another.", do you think that is just sodomy condemned?

 

[lace]

Read 1 corinthians 6:9 may God give the answers you are questioning.

 

[onemessiah]

The foolish are the people who read the Bible and decide it says something else that it clearly doesn't, or ignore it or try to make it fit their worldly theologies.
It's also a Christian's job to exhort & rebuke and correct where it's warrented as well.

The issue becomes how we do that, but it isn't wrong, it's commanded.

In theory, you're right.
In reality, the bible is extremely vague/unclear on countless topics. Many topics aren't even addressed. So all a person can do is form their own opinion. That's where all the squibbling comes into play. That's why there are x-amount of denominations....because the bible isn't very clear on too many things. Unfortunately, most christians are more concerned with "correcting" others' conclusions on vague issues than they are with actually listening and possibly learning something.

 

[Nadiine]

In theory, you're right.
In reality, the bible is extremely vague/unclear on countless topics. Many topics aren't even addressed. So all a person can do is form their own opinion. That's where all the squibbling comes into play. That's why there are x-amount of denominations....because the bible isn't very clear on too many things. Unfortunately, most christians are more concerned with "correcting" others' conclusions on vague issues than they are with actually listening and possibly learning something.

Oh I'm the first to agree that all topics are not fully defined and elaborated on to full clarity of meaning.

What DOES bother me (and what I'm referring to here in my post), is people are even denying what IS clearly stated and defined and explained.
It's gotten to the point that they've invalidated the entire bible where it's lost all meaning due to their personal interpretations.
I've noticed that many people claiming Christianity today do a better and more honest job of interpreting fiction and fantasy materials than scripture.
I truly believe this is due to rebellion of God's standards and laws. They don't want the things they read to be true, so they morph and spin what it says into something they prefer over what it's saying clearly.

That's how I view what's going on today in the 'relative/subjective' world of interpretation (mostly by liberals I mite add).

 

[onemessiah]

Oh I'm the first to agree that all topics are not fully defined and elaborated on to full clarity of meaning.

What DOES bother me (and what I'm referring to here in my post), is people are even denying what IS clearly stated and defined and explained.
It's gotten to the point that they've invalidated the entire bible where it's lost all meaning due to their personal interpretations.

Maybe this is just the atheist in me speaking, but many of their objections are very valid.

Homosexuality, for example. If you read the bible as it is written and deny that the bible forbids homosexuality, then you have the comprehension skills of a brick.
However, the problem is, HOW IT IS WRITTEN. Without going into the translation and other issues too deeply right now, the point is that they are valid objections, because it is unlikely that homosexuals were the ones actually referred to.
Another example is contradictions in the bible. There are quite a few indisputable contradictions, for example the date of Jesus' birth as recorded by Luke and Matthew, or the destruction of Tyre.
Things such as these make it hard to ignore the possibility that the bible isn't what some claim it is (the word of god).

 

[KCKID]

Many people? Who here? By the way, did you know there are people who believe that we were planted here by aliens? 'Other forms?' Oh, you think anal sex is just forbidden but the other stuff isn't? Well, I doubt that. Otherwise the passages would be rather vague. "Men abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another and then committed indecent acts with one another.", do you think that is just sodomy condemned?

They are vague. They are ancient. You don't know exactly what these scriptures are saying and to whom they are directed. Nor does anyone else. What YOU are doing, however, is attempting to make them fit the topic of homosexuality that we are discussing on this forum. And it won't work. The very notion that someone with an innate sexual attraction for those of the same gender would be swayed to 'turn straight' by those obscure scriptures is ludicrous. Furthermore, the thimble-full of ambiguous scriptures that may or may not concern themselves with the act of sodomy (certainly NOT homosexuality per se) has provided us with a perfect and unbelievable example of the proverbial 'making a molehill into a mountain'.

Please, take your nose out of the Bible for long enough to intelligently address an issue that is a VERY REAL concern to many of your fellow human beings!

 

[Nadiine]

They are vague. They are ancient. You don't know exactly what these scriptures are saying and to whom they are directed. Nor does anyone else. What YOU are doing, however, is attempting to make them fit the topic of homosexuality that we are discussing on this forum. And it won't work. The very notion that someone with an innate sexual attraction for those of the same gender would be swayed to 'turn straight' by those obscure scriptures is ludicrous. Furthermore, the thimble-full of ambiguous scriptures that may or may not concern themselves with the act of sodomy (certainly NOT homosexuality per se) has provided us with a perfect and unbelievable example of the proverbial 'making a molehill into a mountain'.

Please, take your nose out of the Bible for long enough to intelligently address an issue that is a VERY REAL concern to many of your fellow human beings!

MOST PROBLEMS WOULD BE SOLVED IF PEOPLE KEPT THEIR NOSE IN THEIR BIBLES!

You have this backwards

 

[Nadiine]

Maybe this is just the atheist in me speaking, but many of their objections are very valid.

Homosexuality, for example. If you read the bible as it is written and deny that the bible forbids homosexuality, then you have the comprehension skills of a brick.
However, the problem is, HOW IT IS WRITTEN. Without going into the translation and other issues too deeply right now, the point is that they are valid objections, because it is unlikely that homosexuals were the ones actually referred to.
Another example is contradictions in the bible. There are quite a few indisputable contradictions, for example the date of Jesus' birth as recorded by Luke and Matthew, or the destruction of Tyre.
Things such as these make it hard to ignore the possibility that the bible isn't what some claim it is (the word of god).

Oh, I didn't know you were atheist. (icons aren't up yet)

Well, for the sake of not derailing to go onto alledged biblical contradictions, MOST all of them are refuted sufficiently and many of them aren't even contradictions by definition; but more a lack of proper study and biblical understanding. (ie. people who use OT laws to point to NT contradictions - when the law changed due to Christ's fulfillment. It's not a contradiction, it's lack of education on how law changed), etc.

I have done the deeper study into homosexuality, and it is just that in the NT - sin. How people are working to spin it into an acceptable lifestyle is beyond me. (nevermind the fornication part of it)

Further, God's moral laws have all remained the same as they were in the OT. Lev. 18 spells out beastiality and homosexuality back to back as abominations. So why is homosexuality removed, yet beastiliaty in the very next verse remains a sin?
In order for that to be so, you need the NT to directly overturn homosexuality for it to be acceptable. But you don't have that, in fact it lacks ANY supportive NT scriptures for it's case.

So, actually things ARE very clear, they're just rejected by who I consider "rebellious" to God's laws as they're plainly written. I can assure you that as a human being, I have weaknesses that I would like to fulfill and things I'd like to do too -- I don't like how everything is either.
But I accept them and work to obey my Lord anyways despite my questions or disikes. That's the difference.
Today, people are claiming they're Christians, yet living like the rest of the world becuz they've re-interpreted the bible into nothing more than some philosophical sayings & suggestions by some 'guru' named jesus that sound all loving & peaceful, and either ignore or completely remove the commands and negativities they dislike whenever they interfere with what they like or want to do.

I don't call that Christianity, and neither does the Bible.
I at least give people credit who read the Bible and decide it's not
what they will believe or accept or live by - over and above people who claim to be of it, then hijack it into a religion they design(creating another religion in it's name).

 

[IamRedeemed]

We don't say who is a Christian, but we can give the description
according to the Word of what the Lord describes His children as.
We are exhorted by the Lord to judge ourselves by His Word and
see if we are of the faith, or just deceiving ourselves.
(See James 4:4)
We can absolutely come to the Lord in any of the states that you mentioned,
but in the Lord, according to His Word, we do not remain our former selves,
as Jesus sets the captives free, and makes us new creatures, as we cannot put
new wine in an old wineskin or it will burst.

Luke 5:36-38
"And he spoke also a parable unto them; 'No man puts a piece of a new garment
upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new makes a tear, and the piece that
was taken out of the new agrees not with the old. And no man puts new wine
into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the
bottles shall perish. But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are
preserved.' "


To say that no one knows your heart, is to say that Jesus
doesn't know what He is talking about when He says,
"Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks."

Our words indicate where our heart is, especially regarding
the things of God.

Luke 6:45
"A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth that which is
good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth that
which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks."

A christain is?
When someone believes that Jesus is the son of God.
When someone believes that Jesus died on the cross for their sin.
When someone gives thier heart to Jesus Christ,asking for forgiveness.
This didnt come with a manual-(That will mean -we are all doomed.)
Nobody knows your heart-who are they to say if your a christain all not.....
You could be a homosexual-drugdealer-drunk-porn addict-homeless-rich-etc........
No one knows what Jesus`s plans are,or whos given thier hearts to him..........
Who are we to say-Whos a christain and who`s not....
Well may God bless youse all

 

[IamRedeemed]

And there have been people here, who were staunch against us and rebellious, who have since changed their ways, when they actually began allowing God to speak to their heart through His Word, because they now know the truth and the truth has set them free. That is evidence that the Word of God is not just some book, archaic or otherwise, but is the Word of the LIVING God and is quick and powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, able to divide every thought and intention of any heart.

Hebrews 4:12

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Oh, I didn't know you were atheist. (icons aren't up yet)

Well, for the sake of not derailing to go onto alledged biblical contradictions, MOST all of them are refuted sufficiently and many of them aren't even contradictions by definition; but more a lack of proper study and biblical understanding. (ie. people who use OT laws to point to NT contradictions - when the law changed due to Christ's fulfillment. It's not a contradiction, it's lack of education on how law changed), etc.

I have done the deeper study into homosexuality, and it is just that in the NT - sin. How people are working to spin it into an acceptable lifestyle is beyond me. (nevermind the fornication part of it)

Further, God's moral laws have all remained the same as they were in the OT. Lev. 18 spells out beastiality and homosexuality back to back as abominations. So why is homosexuality removed, yet beastiliaty in the very next verse remains a sin?
In order for that to be so, you need the NT to directly overturn homosexuality for it to be acceptable. But you don't have that, in fact it lacks ANY supportive NT scriptures for it's case.

So, actually things ARE very clear, they're just rejected by who I consider "rebellious" to God's laws as they're plainly written. I can assure you that as a human being, I have weaknesses that I would like to fulfill and things I'd like to do too -- I don't like how everything is either.
But I accept them and work to obey my Lord anyways despite my questions or disikes. That's the difference.
Today, people are claiming they're Christians, yet living like the rest of the world becuz they've re-interpreted the bible into nothing more than some philosophical sayings & suggestions by some 'guru' named jesus that sound all loving & peaceful, and either ignore or completely remove the commands and negativities they dislike whenever they interfere with what they like or want to do.

I don't call that Christianity, and neither does the Bible.
I at least give people credit who read the Bible and decide it's not
what they will believe or accept or live by - over and above people who claim to be of it, then hijack it into a religion they design(creating another religion in it's name).

 

[IamRedeemed]

BEEENGO!!!

MOST PROBLEMS WOULD BE SOLVED IF PEOPLE KEPT THEIR NOSE IN THEIR BIBLES!

You have this backwards