Sin in the world?

[sarahelizabeth]

Huh?

Obviously, if people sin, then there is sin in the world.

What's more, most Christians would say that not everybody's sin is forgiven -- see e.g. Matthew 12:32: And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

 

[Going Merry]

lol

 

[Saucy]

I think what you're doing is playing semantics. Yes, once we're forgiven, God no longer looks as us as sinful individuals. But we're still a slave to sin here on earth. Paul was bothered by a thorn in the flesh and that wasn't a physical condition in my opinion. I think there was a certain sin he had that bothered him and Christ said, "My grace is sufficient for you." We're going to still sin and feel guilty and have the physical consequences of sin. We can still grieve the Holy Spirit and have God turn away from us. God even said that He'll let us go to our sins so that we may still turn back and save our soul, even if the body is ravished.

Satan still tempts us. If it doesn't matter, then why are we tempted? Why do we feel guilty? Why do we try to change and better ourselves? Why would Satan put in the effort to do something that doesn't matter? It does matter because sin still has its earthly consequences. And if it still has consequences, then sin hasn't been destroy entirely. The sin nature is still in us, but we're helped by the Spirit to try and turn away from that sin.

 

[99Balloons]

I find it funny. hl2 gets irate for us "belittling" her faith, yet she does the same. I see a double standard here.

 

[Going Merry]

I am not belittling anyone, but I sense hostility from you to me and no one else.

I just am not playing semantics - 1. i believe the world has no sin

2. i believe sin is still done in the world.

3. regardless of point 2, point 1 is still valid since christ is the atonement for everyones sin

 

[99Balloons]

Yes you are, when you laugh and take things out of context you are belittling.

 

[Saucy]

Point one and two contradict! If sin is still done, then there's sin in the world. It's still sin. You can't call a dog a pony. Sin is sin.

 

[sarahelizabeth]

I think what you're doing is playing semantics. Yes, once we're forgiven, God no longer looks as us as sinful individuals. But we're still a slave to sin here on earth. Paul was bothered by a thorn in the flesh and that wasn't a physical condition in my opinion. I think there was a certain sin he had that bothered him and Christ said, "My grace is sufficient for you." We're going to still sin and feel guilty and have the physical consequences of sin. We can still grieve the Holy Spirit and have God turn away from us. God even said that He'll let us go to our sins so that we may still turn back and save our soul, even if the body is ravished.

Satan still tempts us. If it doesn't matter, then why are we tempted? Why do we feel guilty? Why do we try to change and better ourselves? Why would Satan put in the effort to do something that doesn't matter? It does matter because sin still has its earthly consequences. And if it still has consequences, then sin hasn't been destroy entirely. The sin nature is still in us, but we're helped by the Spirit to try and turn away from that sin.

YES!! we still face sin regardless!! Yes we are saved but we still WE ARE HUMAN WE ARE FLESH WE ARENT PERFECT!! WE ARENT PERFECT but! we are forgiven WE ARE GOIN TO MESS UP!! regardless!! I dont care if Hl2 belives theres no sin in the wolrd or not but Honsetly It is Common and sense there is sin !! What do you thikn it be like if we have no sin we be perfect we wouldnt NEEED jesus!! now would we NO
i am just speaking How i feel

 

[Saucy]

Exactly. If sin still hurts us and we feel that pang from the Holy Spirit trying to turn us from it, despite the fact that we've been saved by God, that means sin is still a very real thing that tries to destroy us...even if it's just physical. If anything, there is no sin in heaven and we are perfect in that plane when we are with God. But here on earth, Satan is still the god of this world and sin is very real and very harmful.

 

[sarahelizabeth]

Yesit is! We struggle with it just as much as other people because you know most of teh world. people that arent christians are all Chained in SIn b.c satan already has them but with Christians!! Satan wants us to sin wants us to fall and give up!!!

Satan wants us more then anything!! he tries to make us SIN! so yes there is sin in the world regardless!!

 

[Touma]

What does it mean for the "world" to "have no sin"?

 

[MacFall]

Oh, I see. The original argument is an equivocation.

Look, if you disagree with our (i.e, everyone except your) use of the term then just well say so. We'd still disagree, but at least we'd be communicating clearly. I'm quite sure you realize that we don't mean what you say we mean by "there is sin in the world", and you have to know that when you say you are "without sin" that it sounds downright insane according to how everyone but you uses the term.

 

[Socktastic]

You can't call a dog a pony. Sin is sin.

You can. It wouldn't be a pony, but you can call it a pony. Also if you grow up thinking dogs are ponies they would be ponies in your eyes, even if everyone else shouted that they were dogs.

 

[PunkyChick]

this looks like a pony to me.

 

[Socktastic]

this looks like a pony to me.

Guide Pony agrees.

 

[MehGuy]

24 mg of sin is enough to kill a small bird.
I try to intake at least 40-50 mg of sin a day, to keep my mind energized.

 

[Nanopants]

What is your opinion on the whole matter?

Jesus loves paradoxes.

Remember the answer that was given to the rich young ruler when he wanted to know what to do in order to inherit eternal life: he was told that he must obey all of the commandments and to sell his possessions and give all to the poor. And to the disciples who were perplexed it was told that all things are possible with God, and that all who believe on Christ will have eternal life.

So is that a contradiction? Did Jesus give a false answer? No and no. Both answers are correct: the requirement for eternal life is sinlessness and all those who truly believe will be made, through faith, to be sinless.

From the broad eternal perspective, the sinfulness of a believer is irrelevant: it will be erased, being thrown into the endless depths of the sea of God's righteousness. To say that there is ultimately no sin for the redeemed is correct in a sense if it is a recognition of the Gift of eternal life.

From the narrow, here-and-now perspective of each person, however, the wages of sin is still death, even for believers. God is able to keep us though, even if that means chastisement to the point of death to keep us from being condemned with the world.

So while I agree with what you're saying, what you're saying isn't always the correct answer. Obviously we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking that because Christ died for our sins that we can therefore do any evil thing we wish, and even if that's not your modus operandi, someone somewhere could easily take that same message and twist it into exactly that.

For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. -Rom 6:23

Both perspectives are correct, and I think it should be left at that.

 

[Im_A]

I don't believe sin exists in the world so I have to go with no sin. Sin is different than immorality as far as I am concerned and I just have no reason to believe in sin, but plenty of reason to believe in immorality.

 

[Going Merry]

Yes you are, when you laugh and take things out of context you are belittling.

I loled because people keep bringing up the fact that since people sin still that there is sin in the world still. I keep saying the Lord atoned for all of this sin that everyone practices. To me, bringing up that argument is just something for me to scroll over. You think I am blind? I can see that people sin constantly. Nevertheless the Lord atoned for all sin, therefore there is no sin.

 

[99Balloons]

Circular reasoning is circular reasoning. That's what you're doing.