Sin in the world?

[Going Merry]

Sin exists. Even amongst Christians. If it didn't, we could very well throw out the whole Bible past the gospels since so much of it discusses sin in Christians.

Yep

 

[Saucy]

Well, your name only gets written into the Lamb's Book of Life and when it does, it doesn't get "blotted out" or erased. My pastor used the idea...just imagined if everytime we sinned, there were eraser marks and our names rewritten. Or if we sinned and died before we got the chance to ask for forgiveness.

Once we come to Christ, our sins are forgiven...like it was said above. We have been pardoned...but it doesn't take away from the crimes we've committed. It was just pardoned. I don't have to pay for my own sins. But I had to have committed sin for that sin to be pardoned right?? So I have committed sins.

 

[Blank123]

Not to mention how Scripture discusses that Christ will come back to wage war on the world that is dead in its sins, and that one day the world will be destroyed along with its sin.

Pretty hard to get around the fact that sin exists, unless you're being adamant about turning a blind eye to it.

 

[99Balloons]

I am glad you are enjoying the thread

The post. Not your thread.

 

[99Balloons]

Yep

You just admitted you think the Bible is untrue? How then, can you use scripture to defend your points?

 

[Going Merry]

Well, your name only gets written into the Lamb's Book of Life and when it does, it doesn't get "blotted out" or erased. My pastor used the idea...just imagined if everytime we sinned, there were eraser marks and our names rewritten. Or if we sinned and died before we got the chance to ask for forgiveness.

Once we come to Christ, our sins are forgiven...like it was said above. We have been pardoned...but it doesn't take away from the crimes we've committed. It was just pardoned. I don't have to pay for my own sins. But I had to have committed sin for that sin to be pardoned right?? So I have committed sins.

People still commit sins.
All sin has been pardoned though.
People possess sin still.....
because they don't believe Jesus pardoned them.

The way people believe in Jesus is ancient, it gives the impression of animal sacrifice. They continually had to do sacrifices because they had new sin to atone for. That is how I view prayers of forgiveness, these animal sacrifices. But Jesus atoned for all sin. To me, it's like praying to God "i dont believe in what you did".

Annd.. you can get your named blotted out of the book of life if you leave the faith hehe. Read revelations. This is a good reason why OSAS is silly, since it's so obvious Jesus was warning that church with that in mind.

If something was pardoned those crimes are gone yo >.<

 

[Going Merry]

The post. Not your thread.

Oh ok

Also @ Lafille, I think I somewhat answered your post in my previous post. I do see sin still being committed, but that's why it's such a travesty. Because the Lord atoned for all these wrongs people do to each other. Much how 99balloons is belittling me for my beliefs, he forgave those sins too.

Don't get me wrong, sure people do sin all the time, some people even have sin in their heart. But the reality is that the Lord took up all these sins and blotted them out. Just a unrepentant heart and a unbelief in his gospel doesn't allow someone to be cleansed.

 

[Nekoda]

People still commit sins.
All sin has been pardoned though.
People possess sin still.....
because they don't believe Jesus pardoned them.

God's forgiveness and mercy are conditional.

Because most people spend the majority of their bible reading in the Pauline epistles - they have forgotten this -

Forgiveness:

Matthew 6:15

Mercy:

Matthew 5:7

 

[Going Merry]

God's forgiveness and mercy are conditional.

Because most people spend the majority of their bible reading in the Pauline epistles - they have forgotten this -

Forgiveness:

Matthew 6:15

Mercy:

Matthew 5:7

Conditional as in...
-Acknowledging yourself as the worst, no good deeds brought up
-Believing in the truth
-Having a repentant heart

That's all.

Repentance covers what you said

 

[Going Merry]

my favorite thread can't die!

 

[Blank123]

sooo.... question.

what is the point of this thread and all others you've started like it? Are you actually interested in our opinions or are you looking to convert everyone to your way of thinking?

 

[Going Merry]

i like to see what people believe and to debate a little using my own beliefs

much how some of you were rolling your eyes when i was making posts in this thread earlier, i am serious in my beliefs I state xD I just am trying to see if I have any holes in my beliefs. I am very critical of myself.

 

[Socktastic]

Going back to "what is your opinion on this?" and completely avoiding any actual contribution to the ongoing discussion:

There is sin in the world, yet there is none. Could I elaborate on this? No. The action of sin is there, and people continue to do so, Christians and non-Christian alike, but the difference lies in their hearts.

The majority of Christians acknowledge that they sin, but through the grace of God and repentance their sins are forgiven; that is not so different from believing sin has been removed but still takes place. Different wording and a different perspective, but not so different from each other as people seem to think, not really.


Edit: at least from what i'm reading in here. I can see why people think their views are vastly different but I see the similarities. If I were better at actual discussions of things relating to faith and sin i'd type an essay, but i'm not so I shan't.

 

[Going Merry]

Going back to "what is your opinion on this?" and completely avoiding any actual contribution to the ongoing discussion:

There is sin in the world, yet there is none. Could I elaborate on this? No. The action of sin is there, and people continue to do so, Christians and non-Christian alike, but the difference lies in their hearts.

The majority of Christians acknowledge that they sin, but through the grace of God and repentance their sins are forgiven; that is not so different from believing sin has been removed but still takes place. Different wording and a different perspective, but not so different from each other as people seem to think, not really.


Edit: at least from what i'm reading in here. I can see why people think their views are vastly different but I see the similarities. If I were better at actual discussions of things relating to faith and sin i'd type an essay, but i'm not so I shan't.

Nah you got it
Sin has been atoned for
But people sin
But that doesn't mean those sins aren't atoned for.

To me it is unchristian to say there is sin in the world, at least when referring to what I just said.

 

[Moonshiner]

Jesus Christ the son of God came into the world and did not sin even once. He bore the worlds sin on himself from his baptism to his crucifixion where all sin was judged. Resurrected the third day and now sits at the right hand of God.

Now my beliefs tell me that the Lord died with all sin. That is a good reason why I believe I have no sin, because He blotted it out with His actions. This is also why I do not pray for forgiveness of sins, because I only believe faith in Him and what He has done has atoned for me. Of course I am not supporting universalism, but to receive the remission of sins one has to repent and to believe in Him. Repent for me meaning to 'have a change of heart'. Nevertheless the un-repentance of one does not make void the gift the Lord given mankind. The Lord provided atonement, so all sin has been atoned for. He does not need to be sacrificed again, because He did it once for all.

What is your opinion on the whole matter?

It's very easy to get lost and go straight to hell I now see.

Does this mean anything to you?

1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

 

[Radagast]

... But people sin ... To me it is unchristian to say there is sin in the world...

Huh?

Obviously, if people sin, then there is sin in the world.

What's more, most Christians would say that not everybody's sin is forgiven -- see e.g. Matthew 12:32: And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

 

[dayhiker]

Yes, Jesus died for all, and all sin was placed on Jesus. Thanks you Jesus.

That said I believe most sin is centered around disobeying the 1st commandment to love God. Too many people in the world just haven't figured out or come to understand how much God loves them. If more people understood the Father's love for them, then they would enjoy worshiping Jesus and then would obey the 2nd commandment by loving others as they do themselves.

 

[Going Merry]

It's very easy to get lost and go straight to hell I now see.

Does this mean anything to you?

1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

bolded the point you may of missed.

 

[Going Merry]

Yes, Jesus died for all, and all sin was placed on Jesus. Thanks you Jesus.

That said I believe most sin is centered around disobeying the 1st commandment to love God. Too many people in the world just haven't figured out or come to understand how much God loves them. If more people understood the Father's love for them, then they would enjoy worshiping Jesus and then would obey the 2nd commandment by loving others as they do themselves.

Well even though Jesus blotted out all sin, if someone believes he requires them to live for righteousness. Righteousness then is to serve the Lord and not ourselves. I am not assuming you are but, universalism is not something Jesus taught, I was simply pointing out how amazing Christs grace is that everyone limits so much in Christianity today. Maybe it's because they only have one of the three witnesses in 1 John 5:6.

 

[MacFall]

An atheist gets angry over an insult and punches someone in the face. He has sinned. He feels guilt, if he's normal; the victim has a broken nose. Death, in a small way, has been wrought. There is sin in the world.

A Christian gets angry over an insult and punches someone in the face. He has also sinned. He still feels guilt, if he's normal. The victim still has a broken nose. Death has likewise been wrought. There is sin in the world in this case, too.

The difference is that the sin is forgiven by God in the latter case. Yet it still happened; its consequences still exist. The nose-punching Christian has a moral obligation to seek forgiveness not only from God, but from the person he punched. Why would this be the case, if he did not sin? The broken nose doesn't magically become the result of non-sin because of the fact of the Christian's salvation.