Sin in the world?

[Going Merry]

Jesus Christ the son of God came into the world and did not sin even once. He bore the worlds sin on himself from his baptism to his crucifixion where all sin was judged. Resurrected the third day and now sits at the right hand of God.

Now my beliefs tell me that the Lord died with all sin. That is a good reason why I believe I have no sin, because He blotted it out with His actions. This is also why I do not pray for forgiveness of sins, because I only believe faith in Him and what He has done has atoned for me. Of course I am not supporting universalism, but to receive the remission of sins one has to repent and to believe in Him. Repent for me meaning to 'have a change of heart'. Nevertheless the un-repentance of one does not make void the gift the Lord given mankind. The Lord provided atonement, so all sin has been atoned for. He does not need to be sacrificed again, because He did it once for all.

What is your opinion on the whole matter?

 

[sarahelizabeth]

well we all sin!! all sin. we all do!! reagardless and yes you know I belive there is Sin in this world!! .. Do you know how the world is now a days? there is sin in the world regradless!! Yes I am thankful Jesus Died for my Sins!! and Shedded his Blood for me!!

Romans Chapter 3.. THE WHOLE BOOK!!

Romans 3
King James Version (KJV)
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[SOLDIER ❤]

^ Agreed!!

My opinion... There is sin.
Jesus became the high priest, mediator so we could have a way to God.
So we can come to him ourselves and through Jesus the sacrificial lamb be forgiven.

Before we needed a priest to do this, but not any longer. We have christ now.
Romand 3:23 for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. then verse 24 says, "...the redemption that is in Christ...." which means still active.

 

[Going Merry]

That is why Jesus came though, because we all sinned.
So because of Him he atoned for the worlds sin.

Whether or not someone sins right now does not make void the gift he has given mankind.

 

[Saucy]

God has forgiven sin. His blood covers us. But in nature, the curse is still present. We are still tempted to sin and there are still consequences for sin. You've seen the verse over and over again that says if we say we don't sin, we're deceiving ourselves. I don't know how you can read that verse and not believe it. It's obvious. We are sinners saved by grace.

 

[sarahelizabeth]

God has forgiven sin. His blood covers us. But in nature, the curse is still present. We are still tempted to sin and there are still consequences for sin. You've seen the verse over and over again that says if we say we don't sin, we're deceiving ourselves. I don't know how you can read that verse and not believe it. It's obvious. We are sinners saved by grace.

AMEN THAKN YOU SAUCY!! i love you brother..

 

[Going Merry]

God has forgiven sin. His blood covers us. But in nature, the curse is still present. We are still tempted to sin and there are still consequences for sin. You've seen the verse over and over again that says if we say we don't sin, we're deceiving ourselves. I don't know how you can read that verse and not believe it. It's obvious. We are sinners saved by grace.

you're talking about the one in 1 John 1?
It says

" If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

Actually after you repent and believe you're supposed to stop sinning, but if you do sin his atonement still has you covered. But Paul says we shouldn't sin so grace would increase. Grace increases because the Lord blotted all of that out with His own body.

 

[Going Merry]

Don't know if anyone saw it but these verses also tell me how far reaching the power of Christ reached.

Romans 5:13
for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.

1 John 2:2
And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

 

[Saucy]

"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Corinthians 10:13)

If we're perfect, why does it matter?

"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin." (Romans 6:6-7)

We're not freed from sin until after we die.

"Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and no sons. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave then reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live: For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, the we might be partakers of his holiness. Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yietheth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby" (Hebrews 12:1-12).

Verse proves we are still beset by sin.

 

[Miss Spaulding]

God has forgiven sin. His blood covers us. But in nature, the curse is still present. We are still tempted to sin and there are still consequences for sin. You've seen the verse over and over again that says if we say we don't sin, we're deceiving ourselves. I don't know how you can read that verse and not believe it. It's obvious. We are sinners saved by grace.

Exactly.

I love when I come on a thread to give my two cents and find that someone has already said I what I was going to write down. All I have to do is quote them.

 

[Going Merry]

I agree, but I believe we're freed from sin now.
But the Lord atoned for all the worlds sin regardless.
So that is why it is important to get people to repent, since He gave the people this gift of atonement.

 

[99Balloons]

Saucy has said all I need to say. To say there is no sin is ridiculous. I've had my say, now I'm leaving this thread.

 

[Saucy]

I agree, but I believe we're freed from sin now.
But the Lord atoned for all the worlds sin regardless.
So that is why it is important to get people to repent, since He gave the people this gift of atonement.

Again:
"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin." (Romans 6:6-7)

We aren't freed until after we die. We are forgiven, meaning that God doesn't acknowledge the sin after we die, but it's still there. When you blot something out or cover it, you don't take it away...it's still there underneath what was covered. We still have our sin nature. It didn't go anywhere. Our righteousness is as filthy rags...that's the best we have while here on earth.

 

[Going Merry]

Saucy has said all I need to say. To say there is no sin is ridiculous. I've had my say, now I'm leaving this thread.

No one believes Jesus atoned for the worlds sin.
I don't expect understanding from it.

"The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"

But let's just see with our eyes now shall we.
People do sins everyday, they think sins and commit evil every day.
But.. “When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men.”

I don't know. I am convinced the Lord blotted out the worlds sin, sure you all believe there is sin in the world. But for me to do that, I believe that is the same as denying Christ

 

[Ukrainia]

hl2, I think you're confusing sin, with the consequences of sin. People, even Christians, still sin after Christ's atoning sacrifice, yet through faith in him we don't have to worry about facing the consequences of our sin. Think of the president pardoning a criminal. The fact that that he's pardoned, doesn't mean the criminal didn't do anything wrong. It does mean he doesn't have to face the consequences of his actions.

 

[99Balloons]

hl2, I think you're confusing sin, with the consequences of sin. People, even Christians, still sin after Christ's atoning sacrifice, yet through faith in him we don't have to worry about facing the consequences of our sin. Think of the president pardoning a criminal. The fact that that he's pardoned, doesn't mean the criminal didn't do anything wrong. It does mean he doesn't have to face the consequences of his actions.

I said I was leaving, but this is wonderful.

 

[Going Merry]

Again:
"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin." (Romans 6:6-7)

We aren't freed until after we die. We are forgiven, meaning that God doesn't acknowledge the sin after we die, but it's still there. When you blot something out or cover it, you don't take it away...it's still there underneath what was covered. We still have our sin nature. It didn't go anywhere. Our righteousness is as filthy rags...that's the best we have while here on earth.

Woah now, if that were the case then if someone blotted a name out of the book of life, that means it's still there. This is not the case. When someone this blotted it is covered by SOMETHING, in this case our sin has been covered by Jesus Christ. The debt has been paid. This is why in 1 John 2:2 it says he is the propitiation for the whole world. Because he atoned for the whole world. Sure we have our evil flesh till the day we die. But that doesn't negate the Lord blotted out the worlds sin, that's why we can be free from sin in the first place.

 

[Going Merry]

hl2, I think you're confusing sin, with the consequences of sin. People, even Christians, still sin after Christ's atoning sacrifice, yet through faith in him we don't have to worry about facing the consequences of our sin. Think of the president pardoning a criminal. The fact that that he's pardoned, doesn't mean the criminal didn't do anything wrong. It does mean he doesn't have to face the consequences of his actions.

I never implied anything here. I don't believe Christians should continue in sin though after they have been given the remission of sin. Since he cleansed sin so we can live for righteousness. But I know that just because something is pardoned doesn't mean you didn't do something wrong. But this is why I am against everything here. People confess to have sin still, but it's only because they don't believe the Lord blotted out all sin. You say they were pardoned, but these same people confess to have what they were pardoned of. Unbelief in it's totality.

 

[Blank123]

Sin exists. Even amongst Christians. If it didn't, we could very well throw out the whole Bible past the gospels since so much of it discusses sin in Christians.

 

[Going Merry]

I said I was leaving, but this is wonderful.

I am glad you are enjoying the thread