Sin & HS

[Giver]

Ok. What about yourself? Have stopped sinning, 100 %? Don't you ever break a single "small" commandment? If not, what then?

After almost forty years of being guided by Jesus if I am guilty of any wrong doing, Jesus has not brought it to my attention. If Jesus/Holy Spirit sees I am going to do something that is not right, they will be sure to let me know.

People have a hard time understanding just how powerful God is, they do not have any idea just how little of a chance Satan/sin has against one whom God has made a home.

(John 14:21-23) “Whoever holds to my commandments and keeps them is the one who loves me; and whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I shall love him and reveal myself to him. Judas –not Judas Iscariot – said to him, ‘Lord, what has happened that you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world? Jesus replied: Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”


I also believe people have no understanding of what it means to keep the whole Word of God. If they did, then more people would be walking in the spirit, and someone saying they did not sin would not be called a liar.

 

[seekertruth72]

After almost forty years of being guided by Jesus if I am guilty of any wrong doing, Jesus has not brought it to my attention. If Jesus/Holy Spirit sees I am going to do something that is not right, they will be sure to let me know.

People have a hard time understanding just how powerful God is, they do not have any idea just how little of a chance Satan/sin has against one whom God has made a home.

(John 14:21-23) “Whoever holds to my commandments and keeps them is the one who loves me; and whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I shall love him and reveal myself to him. Judas –not Judas Iscariot – said to him, ‘Lord, what has happened that you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world? Jesus replied: Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”


I also believe people have no understanding of what it means to keep the whole Word of God. If they did, then more people would be walking in the spirit, and someone saying they did not sin would not be called a liar.

Sometimes i think we get sidetracked and divided by doctrine that seems to shun things we are taught by the Lord and His apostles, things like abstaining from evil works. It causes confusion, division and mistrust to manifest itself in all of us.

 

[tulc]

I've been a Christian for a long time and in that time I've encountered more then a few people who claim Christians can become sinless and in the end what it always seems to get down to is: redefine what's a sin and voila! we can live a (seemingly) sinless life!
tulc(sees that hasn't changed)

 

[ViaCrucis]

If they were faithful they would not have been sinning.

If they are faithful they'll listen to St. James' instruction.

Of course there are sins that don’t lead to death, and those only need prayer.

Then there are brothers who are still infants in Christ, and they need to confess their sins.

(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) “Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ. What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual. Isn’t that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people?”[/quote]

Someone unable to recognize their own sin and imagining themselves as having spent decades not sinning sounds like an "infant in Christ" if you ask me. But, of course, you didn't ask me.

Quite frankly it sounds like you've constructed a highly convenient tower of theology that allows you to dismiss real sin as not being real sin. I'm fairly confident that you have, in the last several decades, screwed up at least once or twice. I'm sure you've said something, albeit unintentionally, that caused injury to another. This, too, is sin. For it is failing to abide in the perfection we see in Christ.

Saintliness does not come by ignoring our own shortcomings; but in embracing the reality that we are grave sinners, and clinging upon Christ who forgives and cleanses us with His abundant mercy.

The beauty of the Saints isn't that they were sinless, but that they were repentant and flung themselves before the Cross of Jesus at every opportunity.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[seekertruth72]

Right is right, wrong is wrong. Good is good ,bad is bad. Lets do that which is right and good, and not do that which is wrong and bad.

 

[Going Merry]

I've been a Christian for a long time and in that time I've encountered more then a few people who claim Christians can become sinless and in the end what it always seems to get down to is: redefine what's a sin and voila! we can live a (seemingly) sinless life!
tulc(sees that hasn't changed)

i believe we can become without sin,
because jesus took up the burden of the worlds sin at his baptism
and crucified the worlds sin at his cross.

this seemingly easy gospel is complicated by doctrines pushed forth by that catholic church, that if you realize, killed many christians for believing otherwise. whose to say who is right, right? yes i think protestants are in the wrong too, pretty much lol

 

[Going Merry]

I believe Giver is right though, simply because that is the nature of God, that a temple of God has no sin. In the Old Testaments it shows that the Lord says it's not that He doesn't hear us, but our iniquities keep him from helping. It's not that he won't save us in our time of need, but our iniquities keep him from lending his arm. However in the New Testament it is much different, instead it says "ask anything in my name (Jesus) and you will receive what you ask for. Now for me it's not a matter of how good I am or how bad I have been. But rather simply acknowledging the power of Christ Jesus who blotted out all sin, once and for all. This is where my own confidence comes from when simply praying, and why I can ask for things unwavering and receive everything I ask for. Because for one, I know Jesus existed, therefore since I believe correctly since He has made it plain to me, then I can ask like this. He would not give me what I asked for though, if there were sin in me.

 

[seekertruth72]

yes i think protestants are in the wrong too, pretty much lol

Does that come from the sinless temple of the Lord?

 

[Going Merry]

Does that come from the sinless temple of the Lord?

sarcasm is a second language to me.
and yes, yes it is

 

[Lindas Place]

Well 1 Cor 3:16-17 seem to be against what you said. And 1 John 1:9 shows that confessing 'cleanses us from all unrighteousness'. So from my knowledge sin is unrighteosness.

ALL unrighteousness... I think that means ALL...past, present and future... we receive the righteousness of Christ when we believe... sin will effect our relationship with God, not our standing as children of God... we are as righteous as Jesus and always will be once we have been cleansed by His blood... once for all, for all time...

 

[Giver]

I've been a Christian for a long time and in that time I've encountered more then a few people who claim Christians can become sinless and in the end what it always seems to get down to is: redefine what's a sin and voila! we can live a (seemingly) sinless life!
tulc(sees that hasn't changed)

After almost forty years of being guided by Jesus if I am guilty of any wrong doing, Jesus has not brought it to my attention. If Jesus/Holy Spirit sees I am going to do something that is not right, they will be sure to let me know.

People have a hard time understanding just how powerful God is, they do not have any idea just how little of a chance Satan/sin has against one whom God has made a home.

(John 14:21-23) “Whoever holds to my commandments and keeps them is the one who loves me; and whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I shall love him and reveal myself to him. Judas –not Judas Iscariot – said to him, ‘Lord, what has happened that you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world? Jesus replied: Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”


I also believe people have no understanding of what it means to keep the whole Word of God. If they did, then more people would be walking in the spirit, and someone saying they did not sin would not be called a liar.

 

[Giver]

ALL unrighteousness... I think that means ALL...past, present and future... we receive the righteousness of Christ when we believe... sin will effect our relationship with God, not our standing as children of God... we are as righteous as Jesus and always will be once we have been cleansed by His blood... once for all, for all time...

Read the following verse, and ask Jesus’ help in understanding it, and then show us how it fits in with your theology.


(Galations 5:13-26)”For you were called for freedom, brothers. But do not use this freedom as an opportunity for the flesh; rather, serve one another through love. For the whole law is fulfilled in one statement, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you go on biting and devouring one another, beware that you are not consumed by one another. I say, then: live by the Spirit and you will certainly not gratify the desire of the flesh. For the flesh has desires against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you may not do what you want. But if you are guided by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ [Jesus] have crucified their flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also follow the Spirit. Let us not be conceited, provoking one another, envious of one another.”

 

[Lindas Place]

Read the following verse, and ask Jesus’ help in understanding it, and then show us how it fits in with your theology.


(Galations 5:13-26)”For you were called for freedom, brothers. But do not use this freedom as an opportunity for the flesh; rather, serve one another through love. For the whole law is fulfilled in one statement, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you go on biting and devouring one another, beware that you are not consumed by one another. I say, then: live by the Spirit and you will certainly not gratify the desire of the flesh. For the flesh has desires against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you may not do what you want. But if you are guided by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ [Jesus] have crucified their flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also follow the Spirit. Let us not be conceited, provoking one another, envious of one another.”

It say “IF” we belong to Christ, “IF“ we live in the Spirit… let us also follow the Spirit. Obviously, we can belong to Christ, live in the Spirit, yet not follow the Spirit… which is why there is so much scripture written about God disciplining His children… if we followed the Spirit we wouldn’t need to be disciplined and if we are not disciplined we are illegitimate and not true sons… Gal 5 confirms our eternal security In Christ…

Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons. Hebrews 12:7-8

 

[tulc]

After almost forty years of being guided by Jesus if I am guilty of any wrong doing, Jesus has not brought it to my attention. If Jesus/Holy Spirit sees I am going to do something that is not right, they will be sure to let me know.

People have a hard time understanding just how powerful God is, they do not have any idea just how little of a chance Satan/sin has against one whom God has made a home.

(John 14:21-23) “Whoever holds to my commandments and keeps them is the one who loves me; and whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I shall love him and reveal myself to him. Judas –not Judas Iscariot – said to him, ‘Lord, what has happened that you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world? Jesus replied: Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”


I also believe people have no understanding of what it means to keep the whole Word of God. If they did, then more people would be walking in the spirit, and someone saying they did not sin would not be called a liar.

I don't believe you're lying when you say you don't sin, I just think you're wrong.
tulc(also knows arguing about it merely reinforces the belief in the error)

 

[tulc]

i believe we can become without sin,
because jesus took up the burden of the worlds sin at his baptism
and crucified the worlds sin at his cross.

I believe that also, of course I believe it happens after we die. Not before.

this seemingly easy gospel is complicated by doctrines pushed forth by that catholic church, that if you realize, killed many christians for believing otherwise. whose to say who is right, right? yes i think protestants are in the wrong too, pretty much lol

I'm an Anabaptist, I'm very aware of the lengths the Roman Catholic Church would go to. None of which changes that as long as we're alive we're going to sin.
tulc(just another sinner saved by grace...who's also drinking some very good coffee right now)

 

[Strong in Him]

After almost forty years of being guided by Jesus if I am guilty of any wrong doing, Jesus has not brought it to my attention. If Jesus/Holy Spirit sees I am going to do something that is not right, they will be sure to let me know.

Have you asked him to and would you listen?

Members here say that you are a sinner and you don't like it at all. I know some of your posts have been wrong or misleading, yet you don't like correction, or to even consider the possibility that you could be wrong.

 

[Strong in Him]

I believe that also, of course I believe it happens after we die. Not before.



I'm an Anabaptist, I'm very aware of the lengths the Roman Catholic Church would go to. None of which changes that as long as we're alive we're going to sin.
tulc(just another sinner saved by grace...who's also drinking some very good coffee right now)

(Except for the coffee bit -I love tea!)

 

[Giver]

Have you asked him to and would you listen?

Members here say that you are a sinner and you don't like it at all. I know some of your posts have been wrong or misleading, yet you don't like correction, or to even consider the possibility that you could be wrong.

Jesus once told me to give him the first few moments of every situation. I try to do that. Also Jesus guides me in all I do, and that mean literally. God has made a home in me, and is always in communication with me. So yes I ask him if what ever I do is right. There is no need to ask, because if I was ever about to do something that was wrong, Jesus/Holy Spirit would tell me.

 

[Strong in Him]

Jesus once told me to give him the first few moments of every situation. I try to do that.

That's good. It might be even better to give him the WHOLE situation, but it's a good start.

Also Jesus guides me in all I do, and that mean literally.

That's good - he guides me too. He has promised to guide all of us.

There is no need to ask, because if I was ever about to do something that was wrong, Jesus/Holy Spirit would tell me.

Actually this is where I disagree; I think we do need to ask. We need to make sure that we are doing and saying what GOD wants us to do and say, and not acting according to our own desires or subconscious.
Our desires may not be wrong in themselves, but they may not be what God would have us do, say, desire or think.

 

[Giver]

That's good. It might be even better to give him the WHOLE situation, but it's a good start.



That's good - he guides me too. He has promised to guide all of us.



Actually this is where I disagree; I think we do need to ask. We need to make sure that we are doing and saying what GOD wants us to do and say, and not acting according to our own desires or subconscious.
Our desires may not be wrong in themselves, but they may not be what God would have us do, say, desire or think.

I don’t sin. God leads me.

If one sin? (1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”