Sin can not take away your salvation.

[Frogster]

Sin can not take away your salvation.

Sin and death entered through Adam, Rom 5:12, 5:15-17 shows that, basically all died in Adam, in fact, the whole of creation died, Rom 8.

If sin could still kill spiritually again, then it’s fair to say, most would be dead again, they would be back in a pre-salvation state.

Then that would mean that Jesus would have to come back to earth again, and go to the cross again, to redeem mankind all over again, and then we would now have to have a third Adam!

We can’t die again for sin, unrepentant, or unknown sin, or otherwise, because there is no more sacrifice for sin, it is done, it is eternal, unless we are to think that Jesus made a flawed new man, commonly known as the last Adam..last….that word means it, last! It means no more Adam’s.

Heb 10:18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.


Lets not give Adam #1 more credit than Adam#2, our Lord.

Since the first adam killed us all eternally, then I know that the last made us alive eternally.

 

[Frogster]

besides, the people out there going wild, in the flesh, acting out the devil, were probaly not even saved form the beginning.

This thread is directed at those who are saved, want to be saved, and are going to stay saved by grace.

 

[Jesse2014]

I am just subscribing.

I am interested in what other people have to say.

 

[Andry]

Until people start understanding that there's a difference between righteousness and sinlessness, they'll always connect sin to affecting their state of righteousness.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

meh, licence to sin w/o qualifying that those who seek God must believe that He is a rewarder. Those who believe that loss of rewards as in being saved but as one who has come thru a fire barely, have a balanced view that enables them to view God's plan more clearly. When His full salvation is set forth then the law of the Spirit is given more worth. Because to have salvation but lose that which was originally planned for the new creation isn't what some will want to achieve in this life. So why just give half the story?

 

[Frogster]

Until people start understanding that there's a difference between righteousness and sinlessness, they'll always connect sin to affecting their state of righteousness.

well said, good point!

 

[Frogster]

meh, licence to sin w/o qualifying that those who seek God must believe that He is a rewarder. Those who believe that loss of rewards as in being saved but as one who has come thru a fire barely, have a balanced view that enables them to view God's plan more clearly. When His full salvation is set forth then the law of the Spirit is given more worth. Because to have salvation but lose that which was originally planned for the new creation isn't what some will want to achieve in this life. So why just give half the story?

it is not half the story, if sin could kill us again, would you still be alive in Him?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Well when salvation is about "being saved" i guess it could be treated like a "token value" that can expire due to acts of disqualification .. but if one thinks about as being "born again" then we have to trust that our Father in Heaven knows what he's doing when he raises us as children .

 

[Biblicist]

Could it maybe be that those of us who understand that it is possible for a tongues speaking Full Gospel Christian to forfeit their salvation, that maybe we might have a greater assurance of our Salvation, though we still recognise that Phil 2:12 is something that we must always adhere to:

"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling".
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[TillICollapse]

Qualifier: I haven't read any of the other threads mentioned in this thread.

I would probably argue that the sin against the Holy Spirit may cause us to not have eternal life in the Kingdom. That is what I would equate with what is typically meant by "losing one's salvation", though I think that phrase is a bit of a misnomer, like saying Christ's salvation isn't sufficient or something. However the sin against the Holy Spirit is seemingly unique. I may also argue, conversely, that all other sin, apart from the sin against the Holy Spirit one may commit, has already been forgiven, including those whom you mentioned as "out there going wild".

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Could it maybe be that those of us who understand that it is possible for a tongues speaking Full Gospel Christian to forfeit their salvation, that maybe we might have a greater assurance of our Salvation, though we still recognise that Phil 2:12 is something that we must always adhere to:

"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling".
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I think perhaps the bible speaks to us in different ways at different points in the journey .

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Could it maybe be that those of us who understand that it is possible for a tongues speaking Full Gospel Christian to forfeit their salvation, that maybe we might have a greater assurance of our Salvation,

Nope. I don't think so at all.

 

[Viren]

If you think of salvation as having life to the fullest or being fully alive then sin can inhibit this.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling".

I know that I have worked out my salvation with fear and trembling.

Don't you think it's kind of the same as the people that go up to the front of the church to get re-saved? Why would someone keep working out their salvation if they are already saved?

People that keep doing it, don't believe it has been done.

It's obvious by the fact that they 'keep' doing it. Action does speak louder than words. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[ToBeBlessed]

If you think of salvation as having life to the fullest or being fully alive then sin can inhibit this.

Do you mean that being in sin dampens our ability to live to the fullest in Christ?

 

[Andry]

Do you mean that being in sin dampens our ability to live to the fullest in Christ?

Yup. The new covenant revelation is that all things are lawful. But not all things are constructive. Or productive. Or will build you up. IOW, some things are destructive, counterproductive, and will tear you down. And some things will, in fact, keep us in bondage.

But in the Gospel, the righteousness of God is revealed (Rom 1:17), and that righteousness has got nothing to do with our sinful or sinlessness. IOW, we don't get any more, or less, righteous, by whether we do a thing or we don't do a thing.

 

[Messy]

Do you mean that being in sin dampens our ability to live to the fullest in Christ?

Yes, you're either abiding in Him or sinning, you can't do both at the same time. If we don't turn from our wicked ways and cry out to Him and pray He can't heal our land.

 

[Viren]

Do you mean that being in sin dampens our ability to live to the fullest in Christ?

Yes, being fully alive in Christ is eternal life and it's now. It's not just something you get after you die.

 

[probinson]

Yes, being fully alive in Christ is eternal life and it's now. It's not just something you get after you die.

We cannot have the fullness in Christ if we refuse to repent for the sin in our lives.

 

[Frogster]

That’s an easy option for the Evangelical or Reformed types to adhere to but that does not carry any weight for the tongues speaking & prophesying Full Gospel believer who commits the sins mentioned in Heb 10:26.


Noooo…not again, I answered this question in one of the other threads that you started on this topic. As I am such a nice guy and to keep you happy, let’s go back (again and again) to Heb 10:26 where I don’t think that there is a need to commit even a single act of homosexuality and adultery and probably fornication, though behaviour that involves theft (there are degrees of theft), covetousness (there are also degrees of covetousness), drunkard behaviour (an interesting one), though swindlers and revilers can be problematic where thankfully the eternal state of those who commit these things is up to the Lord and thankfully not to me.


So there you have it; then there’s Mat 10:33 where I would lean to the view that if a tongues speaking Full Gospel Christian openly denies Christ with his mouth, then I would be inclined to say that his eternal fate is sealed as Heb 10:26 tells us “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left”.

Exactly, deliberately sinning..bro, can you explain the mystery why people would choose to leave the Lord, that was the sin mentioned in Hebrews, it was not about the fleshy things you speak of. No one knows why people leave the Lord. I don't know all the answers, you don't either, but you certainly don't want to answer the OP question, with a solid answer!


Can we die again, by having sin imputed to us?

Simple question.


We have been freed of sin, we live in Him, He can't die, nor can we, it is right here. Please talk this text, to be on topic here, it is about us being freed, we can't die, we are alive, sin can't kill us!




Romans 6:7 For one who has died has been set free from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.