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Sin and Suffering!!!

Emz198914

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Hi,
Im currently studying your fascinating faith and was wondering if you could help me out a bit on some queries i have....

whats you view on original sin?
whats your theodicy?
why do we suffer today, who is to blame?

I would appreciate any help you can offer me on the topic of sin and suffering.

Thanks,
Emma:angel:
 

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If you speak of the original sin of Adam and Eve...then I say look at the bible.
If you are saying look at original sin doctrine? I don't understand the doctrine completely. Though I think it is rooted out of generational sins and consequence of sins that a family commits continuing through generations. To a degree, we have inherited what our parents have struggled with because they are a key role in our development.

What has been revealed to me is that children before the age of accountability are innocent in eyes of God therefore no sin is held against them. Still, every person within humanity has sinned. It is not a thing that is pressed against them as of coming of age but rather a decision by the individual after they are of age. Jesus never sinned.

I believe that God created our nature which is good. We can never completely run away from it. What Adam and Eve did was to do something that God did not purpose for them to do. Though God put it there whereas they could do it, he did not command to do it which is to say he purposed them to do it. So, within our nature is the ability of free will that can do things against God’s commandments (purpose). We, like Adam and Eve, all do as they did and do something out of God’s purpose for our lives. Many people are consumed by many temporary desires. As a whole, humanity has replaced this purpose of God’s with a purpose of wickedness (temporary desires also known as works of the flesh). I believe this is where we inherit the sinful nature of Adam and Eve though it is not of the blood that resides in us but rather of chooses we make. God’s message to them is to return to the first calling of God, to love him and his creation fully. God has given us grace freely as he has given us the air we breathe, the food we eat, and cloths we wear so that we may have a life in harmony with him which stratifies the soul right now. Jesus’ message was not just one day we go to Heaven (or that really when we do God’s purpose we bring his justice to this world) but rather right now we may live free and be the shining light unto the world so that the world will live in love with him through the power of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Theodicy? I am not sure of this....I don't know this world or what you mean of it. If you mean we should do good in the face of evil then I agree. I do not believe there is any reason to sin (cause disharmony or hatred to the world). It is only convenient in the moment to sin...it does not sustain life but take from it. Good and love always sustains and creates.
 
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suffering in the world? It is from the disharmony of man...

In the beginning, humanity was made by the hand of God with his blessings (or peace, unity, and harmony of God). Humanity was made to be intimately connected to God, within itself (community; individual to individual), and the environment. Further, man and wife were created without any shame (layers of regret, secrets, betrayal, fronts, hypocrisy, and nothing to cover up) to each other. This whole world was so united that when humanity choose to live outside of God’s harmony that the whole physical world is thrown out of whack. As soon as humanity made it’s choose of living outside of the harmony, humanity is disconnect to God whereas, God asked what is your identity now? Then their eyes where opened and they found there were things to find, things to cover up, boundaries, and that they were vulnerable. They are disconnected from each other. After that humanity had to sweat and labor hard to sustain it’s life among the environment. Disconnection was among all of what humanity was connected to.

After the fall, God did not leave humanity to its fate of disconnection because the disharmony that was caused, but he has chosen to go about restoring humanity to the garden. The final restoration is far off, but here and now we are to live as he purposed us to live as we where in that day. Inherently, Christians are very sexual people but not in the common terms.


The word sex comes from a word that means to cut off, disconnect, or to sever from the whole. You can see other derivatives of the original word; sector, sect, etc. Then, sex became a unifying of division. So then our awareness of sexuality is our identification of our disconnect and our search for connection. This awareness is a longing to be connected. Sexuality might include the physical union of two people, but it also is something much more that is at the foundation of humanity’s restoration of unity.


A common question(s) within humanity is: “Why can’t everyone just get a long? Why is there so much division? Why can’t we all be connected and get along?” The bible says this is rooted in the calling of God and the creation he made. We long to be connected with the rest of the world. We can’t escape it. Most often, the things that we look back in life at and wished to change were connection and unite to people.

We believe that we lived a life with major divisions within our purpose in being, and some how God built us to embrace the universe and everything in it in the way he has purposed for us. We know that emotion of uniting in harmony comes from our foundation of our creation. We know with assurance that we can live in harmony of the soul, here and now. So then, we turn away from our old life in all of it’s incompleteness and live the way God meant for us.

Eph 4
22You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
25Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body. 26“In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27and do not give the devil a foothold.


Into our new being, our mind, heart, and soul are restored to God’s creation. It will not simple due to allow a disconnection with our minds to continue. Out of the mind comes the words and deeds. We are guided by the power of the Holy Spirit. Through our faith in his message produce the fruits of the spirit which produces harmony. So then if we should have a thought about an action, we have to identify what are our thoughts rooted in? Are our thoughts rooted in love, some form of wanting to be connected, or evil?


So then if a person gets to know another person (mending this disconnection that we have) then this is good. The person is trying to emotionally unify to that person. However, this form of union should not be misused. It is through Christ that we form unions with others which are taking part of God’s restoration.


Gal 3:
26So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


In Christ, we dwell in the restoration and unification of the nations. So then a group of Christians is a group of people trying to live in harmony, unify, and restore peace on earth through the power of God. It will not due for the group of Christians to sit by and allow anyone to dwell in disharmony. We actively seek out disharmony at the root and allow the presence of God to be restored there. Over and over again in the NT, the faithful went about restoring and uniting by taking care of others physical and spiritual needs. So then, we when you find yourself being pulled to another person to care for them and love them, do not misuse this for temporary pleasures. Just because a person can make it fit, does not mean a person should desire to put it there.


In Christ our labor and hope is not in vain. There is a day of restoration is in Rev 21. In Rev 22, the garden is restored. In that great city, the environment, God, and humanity are restored to the harmony without betrayal, divorce, lies, secretes, rolling of the eyes, no hurtful commits, etc. The leaves of the tree of live heal the nations (as opposed to the leaves of trees just after the fall that helped create layers of being disconnected). The fruit of the tree will be produced all year. There will be no curse (no more observations of disconnection within life). In that place, the throne of God and God will dwell there. His servants will serve him there, and the people will see the face of (no disconnection with) God. Further, his name will be on their forehands. (Where is God? In, through, and among them!)
 
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Emz198914 said:
Hi,
Im currently studying your fascinating faith and was wondering if you could help me out a bit on some queries i have....

whats you view on original sin?
whats your theodicy?
why do we suffer today, who is to blame?

I would appreciate any help you can offer me on the topic of sin and suffering.

Thanks,
Emma:angel:
Who is to blame for suffering and death today? Originally satan I would say, but a better answer would be not who, but what: sin. Sin was found in satan, sin entered mankind through Adam. God decreed death because of sin. Thank God for the hope we have through His Son.
 
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If you want the most complete life; I will give you the key as it has been revealed to me by God.

Quotes:

John 3:16-21
16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.


John 10:10
10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. (This full is completeness...to have teh best possible life)


Mat 22:
36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ e 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ f 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.


Gal 5:1
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

Math 11:28
28“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

Gal 5:13-26
13You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
16So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Phil 4:4-9
4Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! 5Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. 6Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
8Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable— if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.


Eph. 2:8-10
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
 
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whats you view on original sin?
The Eastern Orthodox do not beleive that we share the guilt of Adam's sin. We beleive that we suffer the consequences of a fallen world but we do not share the guilt of the fall. Guilt of Original sin is a modern papal addition that really only the Roman Catholic accept. You do not have to accept the idea of Original Sin to be a Christian.

whats your theodicy?
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In the Greek, " justification of God," a theodicy is a theological or philosophical attempt to answer the question, "How could an omnibenevolent and omnipotent God have permitted such evil and human suffering to be part of His creation?" -- essentially, the question is concerned with the "Problem of Evil. ...
God has infinite love for mankind. He loves us so much that he will even allow us to reject him. We have free will. We can choose to follow God or we can choose to reject God. He will not interfere with our decision.
If we did not have free will - even to the point of rejecting God - then we would be mindless zombies. Robot pets. God wants us to follow him because we choose to - not because we are forced to.

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Suffering in many cases is much like putting gold into a furnace. The impurities are burned off and what is left over is pure and refined.
Other times suffering can be caused by humans. There is enough food on this planet to feed everyone. Man's greed prevents him from sharing these resources and that causes suffering. If someone breaks into your home and steals from you he causes suffering.

Sin is man choosing to do what he wants instead of what God wants. Suffering is often the cause of sin.

The thing that you have to understand is that God does not force his will on us. We are given the choices. We have the ability to act. We also have the ability to not act.
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calidog said:
Thanks:thumbsup: I mean that is how death, sickness started I mean I can't name anyone before them who died b/c there were the first besides God,Jesus, Holy spirit and sadly the devil. The devil is an example of how someone could turn from Good to evil jealous is not a good thing even though God knew it was going happen before it did God bless:)
 
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Emz198914 said:
Hi,
Im currently studying your fascinating faith and was wondering if you could help me out a bit on some queries i have....

whats you view on original sin?
whats your theodicy?
why do we suffer today, who is to blame?

I would appreciate any help you can offer me on the topic of sin and suffering.

Thanks,
Emma:angel:
I see that you are a christian. Could you also express your thoughts here too? It would give a starting point. thanx
 
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